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Blood on the street II

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TGBeldin

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Hmmm....in 1957, they had another big pandemic too and didn't shut down society. Somehow they survived. Imagine that??

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/elvis-was-king-ike-was-president-116000-americans-died-pandemic
Totally different world. No instant on line news spun by people with a political agenda first and truth a distant second. No 50x a day body by body count.

And to be honest, depending upon who was dying, not really a lot of concern outside that local/community (see para. 1 above).

Look at the difference in attitudes for WW-II vs VN, largely but no exclusively because of press/graphic coverage. If the same day color video of Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima was shown as the lead story on the news, there would likely have been huge "bring our troops home" protests in 1943. When deaths become more real, more personal, the reactions change.

I could go back farther to examples where aditudes were even more calous, but I think you get my point.

What was acceptable death cost then is not now. And that is good.
 

TGBeldin

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At this point, his crystal ball is about as cloudy as most others. Maybe he's right, maybe he's not.

If it wasn't so serious an issue I would find it laughable that the people who tell everyone not to panic about the virus, are all gloom & doom about the economy. Those who say the economy will be fine tend to be dire about the virus.

What a shock: which side most people are supporting tracks very, very closely with their politics.

(Let the nay-sayers of both types commence their arguments! Again.)
 

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Well how did the gold standard work out?
I wasn't advocating a return to the gold standard, although I prefer it over fiat currency. My issue is with the Federal Reserve. The name itself is an oxymoron. It is only Federal in the sense that it was created by an act of Congress (recommend reading 'The Creature from Jekyll Island'). It consists of private banks which answer to larger international banks, not American interests. And in the end the only reserves will likely be taxpayer bailouts
 

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At this point, his crystal ball is about as cloudy as most others. Maybe he's right, maybe he's not.

If it wasn't so serious an issue I would find it laughable that the people who tell everyone not to panic about the virus, are all gloom & doom about the economy. Those who say the economy will be fine tend to be dire about the virus.

What a shock: which side most people are supporting tracks very, very closely with their politics.

(Let the nay-sayers of both types commence their arguments! Again.)
I'm not sure of the political aspects, but I tend to think human nature will be a big factor when it comes to the economy. Zell touches upon this. There are even possible changes to how people go about things in a post vaccine world. I think a lot of the thinking, you, me, Zell, anyone, is that we under estimate the societal impact at our own peril. The societal impact will drive whatever happens to the economy.
 

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I'm not sure of the political aspects, but I tend to think human nature will be a big factor when it comes to the economy. Zell touches upon this. There are even possible changes to how people go about things in a post vaccine world. I think a lot of the thinking, you, me, Zell, anyone, is that we under estimate the societal impact at our own peril. The societal impact will drive whatever happens to the economy.
I agree with your post very much--what I don't know, and doubt anyone does--is HOW those social norms and practices will develop. I do not believe we will go back to the way it was. The question is where will we change course to?
 

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I wasn't advocating a return to the gold standard, although I prefer it over fiat currency. My issue is with the Federal Reserve. The name itself is an oxymoron. It is only Federal in the sense that it was created by an act of Congress (recommend reading 'The Creature from Jekyll Island'). It consists of private banks which answer to larger international banks, not American interests. And in the end the only reserves will likely be taxpayer bailouts
Yes I am familiar. It is what it is. Fiat is here to stay. For now.
 

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I agree with your post very much--what I don't know, and doubt anyone does--is HOW those social norms and practices will develop. I do not believe we will go back to the way it was. The question is where will we change course to?
I don’t believe in all those “predictions “ that post Covid life will be “fundamentally different “ from how it was before. These are arm chair philosophies which overlook that people in general and by nature are resistant to change and therefore remain conservative in their habits and lifestyles. We are seeing that already with the present reactions to the lockdown and its lifting. I bet you that in two years and after we all have been vaccinated our lives will be well on the way back to pre Covid conditions-and enjoyments!- with maybe a few newly government installed rules and regulations but otherwise no big changes. Hopefully less reliance on China but on more reliable countries and of course on ourselves.
 

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I don’t believe in all those “predictions “ that post Covid life will be “fundamentally different “ from how it was before. These are arm chair philosophies which overlook that people in general and by nature are resistant to change and therefore remain conservative in their habits and lifestyles. We are seeing that already with the present reactions to the lockdown and its lifting. I bet you that in two years and after we all have been vaccinated our lives will be well on the way back to pre Covid conditions-and enjoyments!- with maybe a few newly government installed rules and regulations but otherwise no big changes. Hopefully less reliance on China but on more reliable countries and of course on ourselves.
The degree of change is anybody's guess, and you raise valid points. People, indeed, may just go back to what was before. I tend to believe it will not be a fully "in kind" return. On the other hand, people these days don't remember shit from six months ago. That may be the rule rather than exception, except maybe for the oldfarts like me.
 

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Anyone hear
The degree of change is anybody's guess, and you raise valid points. People, indeed, may just go back to what was before. I tend to believe it will not be a fully "in kind" return. On the other hand, people these days don't remember shit from six months ago. That may be the rule rather than exception, except maybe for the oldfarts like me.
I think some, in other areas of the county will rush back to where it was. The young won’t care. Those with a years under their belt will cautious.

Most not only don’t remember anything they don’t care. Either that or their entitlement mentality make them think they are invincible.
 

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I think some, in other areas of the county will rush back to where it was. The young won’t care. Those with a years under their belt will cautious.

Most not only don’t remember anything they don’t care. Either that or their entitlement mentality make them think they are invincible.
Most youngsters think they are bulletproof and proceed accordingly.

I suppose I was that way, too, but it was so many moons ago that I don't have the foggiest idea any longer.
 

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I don't think it is all about age.

Those who went through difficult, we expected loss of job, people, or major parts of their lives are most likely to decide they don't want to go through that again. The more they are hurt, the more likely, and more significantly they will change in some way(s).

People will not stop traveling, but how & where will likely change.

People who never did things on line before, have discovered it IS possible, and besides the safety issue there is a major time savings. A lady staying with me during this has decided she is making major changes to how she does her business because she estimates on-lineing a lot of it will free 10 hrs a week. Other businesses that never bought into remote work are seeing it can work in many cases.

That may allow a LOT of people to escape the big cities for better cost of living, climate, etc. so we may see some de-urbanization.

Nursing schools are seeing a lot of student questioning if they want to return to nusing--they never factored in the life threatening issues of the career.

Where these will go, I have no idea.
 

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Cash holds up well when being washed.

I wonder if AMPs will go cashless. Maybe there will be an AMP app where you can prepay.
They will tell you to put it on a table and they will spray it with alcohol.
Half of them were in the nail salon industry before moving into this profession, they may have the ultra violent light used to cure nail polish on the table zapping the cash.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start getting a sun tan with our massage!
 

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People will not stop traveling, but how & where will likely change.
You should have seen the drop in travel after 911. Two years later, the TSA became a gating item for travel, not 911.
That may allow a LOT of people to escape the big cities for better cost of living, climate, etc. so we may see some de-urbanization.
911 again had a short term impact on that feeling and subsided within a couple of years.
Nursing schools are seeing a lot of student questioning if they want to return to nusing--they never factored in the life threatening issues of the career.
Remember all the people who volunteered for the service after 911. It is weird, but some people actually relish being in those positions.

A agree it will have a 2 to 5 year impact one those effected and some who are not effected but in a vulnerable situation.
 

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They will tell you to put it on a table and they will spray it with alcohol.
Half of them were in the nail salon industry before moving into this profession, they may have the ultra violent light used to cure nail polish on the table zapping the cash.

I wouldn't be surprised if we start getting a sun tan with our massage!
Now every monger will be George Hamilton.

 
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