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Bill to make Sex work legal in New York State

Hardrobert

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Unlicensed massage is already illegal which is why most places do not advertise massage and use "body work", or they have someone's massage license hung in the place and the rest are supposedly "interning" to get the hours to become licensed. NY has one of the tougher set of requirements- if memory serves something like 1000 hours, 2 or 3 times other states. So making horizontal dancing legal might be less expensive for the massage, opps, body rub establishment with less worries. Currently. actually harder to bust a full service house than a body rub place, due to the evidence required. No massage license is an automatic violation and easy to prove.
 

kgirler

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It will never happen in Pennsyltucky. So unless you live in New York, or are willing to drive two or three hours, your market is still here. Where a market exists, a provider will fill the need.
 

mikemendez

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After thinking more about it, I fear new bill would completely change the hobby/industry in nyc The bill will include guidelines, the current status quo can’t be it, for one, it would prove these places were breaking the law the entire time, would this come into play when applying for certification or whatever is required to establish a legal house of ill repute? Perhaps I’m overthinking it.
 

Chiparlor

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As promised, I called the Senator to follow up on her theory. She introduced the bill to legalize the prostitution to reduce/eliminate the human trafficking by force so that the women can come and go at their freewill in lieu of by force.

Some of the respondents, in my opinion, are correct that there is a slim chance this bill will pass. However, we will see what happens down the road.
 

Chiparlor

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Source: thecrimereport.org

Legislators across the U.S. are reconsidering how to handle prostitution, as calls for decriminalization are gaining momentum, the New York Times reports.

Decriminalization bills have been introduced in Maine and Massachusetts; a bill is expected to be introduced to the City Council in Washington, D.C., in June; lawmakers in Rhode Island held hearings last month on a proposal to study the impact of decriminalization.

Democrats in New York state will propose a comprehensive decriminalization bill that would eliminate penalties for both women and men engaged in prostitution, as well as the johns whom they service.

“This is about the oldest profession, and understanding that we haven’t been able to deter or end it, in millennia,” said Sen. Jessica Ramos, one of the plan’s backers. “So I think it’s time to confront reality.”

The idea of decriminalization has amassed a growing coterie of prominent supporters, suggesting that it might gain traction. The debate is polarizing, even among advocates for sex-trafficked and abused women who fear that creating a legal path for prostitution will not eliminate, but rather actually encourage, underground sex trafficking.

An Urban Institute report in 2017 argued that police and the courts need to dramatically change the way they deal with prostitution, beginning with treating sex workers and trafficking victims as individuals who need counseling and help to remake their lives— rather than as criminals.

“The criminalization of prostitution and, more generally, negative interactions with the police discourage the reporting of, and therefore investigation of and response to, violence and exploitation,” declared the report, entitled “Consequences of Policing Prostitution.”

Decriminalization is facing intense pushback in state capitals from opponents who call the measures naïve and potentially dangerous. U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) became the first presidential candidate to endorse decriminalization, an idea also floated by another contender, former Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper.

“When you’re talking about consenting adults, I think that yes, we should really consider that we can’t criminalize consensual behavior as long no one is being harmed,” Harris said.

Supporters of decriminalization see their efforts as part of a larger, decades-long liberalization of mores, like lifting Sunday bans on selling alcohol and legalizing marijuana. Prostitution is legal only in a few counties in Nevada.
 

charliebrown

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Any market is a supply, demand dynamic. Legalization would increase the number of participants on both sides of the equation. My guess is that the pricing would roughly stay the same.

There is one caveat that could sway the cost downward.
If prostitution were legal, would women be more apt to satisfy their SO so he does not spend the extra money with a professional?
 

BillaBong

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Any market is a supply, demand dynamic. Legalization would increase the number of participants on both sides of the equation. My guess is that the pricing would roughly stay the same.

There is one caveat that could sway the cost downward.
If prostitution were legal, would women be more apt to satisfy their SO so he does not spend the extra money with a professional?
I think it would affect SOs otherwise. Men would not care about pleasing SOs and we could see some stiff opposition from such women!
 

DannyG

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Making prostitution legal would make things more difficult and complicated IMHO, not so much from the providers stand point, but more so from the customers, now its a legal transaction, requiring a receipt, accountability and all, customers already gripe about every little thing. I say keep it exactly the way it is.
 

Plat122

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Making prostitution legal would make things more difficult and complicated IMHO, not so much from the providers stand point, but more so from the customers, now its a legal transaction, requiring a receipt, accountability and all, customers already gripe about every little thing. I say keep it exactly the way it is.
Then you sir are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 

krideynyc

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Making prostitution legal would make things more difficult and complicated IMHO, not so much from the providers stand point, but more so from the customers, now its a legal transaction, requiring a receipt, accountability and all, customers already gripe about every little thing.
OK, I'm curious. Why would you need a receipt?
 

DannyG

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New laws will require new SOP, lawmakers aren’t just going to give a green light to current places way of doing business. As far as I can tell from watching the video OP provided, most if not all of the pros accommodating the speaker were independent/ho’s If you would, I didn’t recall amp owners/providers in the back ground. Does anyone believe current amp procedure to be up to lawmakers standard, spa owners won’t dare share or detail their current way of operating, for obvious reasons. New law passes, it’ll become easier to fine and eventually shut down shops, just like any other legal business attempting to fly under the IRS radar. Not to mention the news making headline if and when a provider is reported to have an STD.
 

krideynyc

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If we use Carson City as an example, like all businesses, financial transactions needs to be done according to IRS and the laws of the State and City. Since it's now a legal transaction, there's no need for you as a monger to pay only with cash. Credit Cards, bank transfers, and other means that used to be bad because it can be traced to you, could now be conducted in the open. And since there is human to human contact, there will be some level of medical screening required. Although I don't see the need to go to licenses. But that doesn't mean you have to obtain a receipt for every transaction. Personally, I'm fine with not needing one. Obviously, cash will still be used. But the responsibility is on the provider to maintain her records in terms of income, not you as the customer.
 

Srhsrh

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In restaurants, when the IRS audits waitress tips, they calculate the difference between the restaurants gross income, and then the credit receipts and hit the waitress with a percentage difference. It’s stood up in courts unless the waitress kept a daily journal. Maybe they’ll do the same thing. Or perhaps there will be a legal requirement to use numbered, state supplied condoms. ;)
 

Plat122

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New laws will require new SOP, lawmakers aren’t just going to give a green light to current places way of doing business. As far as I can tell from watching the video OP provided, most if not all of the pros accommodating the speaker were independent/ho’s If you would, I didn’t recall amp owners/providers in the back ground. Does anyone believe current amp procedure to be up to lawmakers standard, spa owners won’t dare share or detail their current way of operating, for obvious reasons. New law passes, it’ll become easier to fine and eventually shut down shops, just like any other legal business attempting to fly under the IRS radar. Not to mention the news making headline if and when a provider is reported to have an STD.
I don’t truly understand what you are trying to say. If New York decimalized prostitution tomorrow nothing would change for a while. Eventually the state would set up a process to they could get their piece of the money pie, licenses, fees, back ground checks etc. You would have tons of providers who do not have to worry about undercover cops sneaking around doing undercover things. If the criminal penalties were removed no one could buy sexual services from a child or someone who was doing this against their will. You would not be able to enslave someone to suck dicks with no compensation. Only the government can do this due to the 13th amendment to the constitution. If you remove the criminal penalties or prostitution then cops could only harass spas for not being properly licenses or safety issues etc. No more of this bullshit. What happened in Florida was a crime against humanity. To shame the consumer and charge the massage providers with felonies knowing that no one was doing anything against their will. Think about it.
If you truly legalize it, it might mean that the legal exchange for sex form money in NY would increase as the state will put their hand on the scale – and in your pocket. But it would be better than what we have now.
 
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