Going in BBFS not so fast

However the entire point of my post was that this form of gonorrhea, the predominant strain at present, is incurable. There is no cure, current antibiotics are 100% ineffective against it , you will die from it. That is the difference between it and everything you mentioned - again it is incurable , you will die from it and it can spread from oral sex as well although a provider would know after incubation that she was affected, and unable to offer oral. The pain level would be too high.

You’re misinformed. Most people don’t die from gonorrhea, even if it’s not treated. And what I said was that all of those afflictions were once believed true, but get proven false over time, as either medicine improves, or maybe manipulation moves on to a new thing to scare people about.

As much as I bitch about pharmas, they do do an excellent job of innovating new medicine, and that’s going to get even faster with AI. Believe what you want, but I’m a lot more worried about getting killed by idiot car drivers than I am of dying from an STI. But I still go out and drive to work each day. I’m not hiding under my bed.

I am not misinformed- the reason most people don’t die from gonorrhea is that previously , antibiotics work. Now that it is resilient to all known antibiotics , this far stronger strain is hiking the death rate it is soaring . See the link in my original post . This is the whole point . Throw out everything you think you know . This is a whole new epidemiology nightmare. Eventually even with the treatable strain in its tertiary stage, you lose sight , you go crazy, dementia and eventually death- it might take years to advance from secondary to tertiary but it will happen. Left untreated it’s fatal - this new strain has no treatment and 10x more aggressive.

Read a few posts up from an educated person that works in a clinic specifically referencing what I said , thanking me for focusing on this , describing how he must inform patients that it’s incurable now .

Are you in the medical field ?

Emphasis mine.

@Howitzer64 according to the articles you posted, which I read, gonorrhea is still treatable via cephalosporin. In fact, the CDC puts a big honking banner in the middle of the article:

CDC has not received any reports of verified clinical treatment failures to any cephalosporin in the United States.

See https://www.cdc.gov/std/gonorrhea/drug-resistant/basic.htm

The page you directly linked to puts forth the hypothetical, that if gonorrhea developed resistance to cephalosporin, we'd be in deep dog shit.

"The emergence of cephalosporin-resistant gonorrhea would significantly complicate the ability of providers to treat gonorrhea successfully, since we have few antibiotic options left that are simple, well-studied, well-tolerated and highly effective."

Sure chief - I guess the coast is clear and everybody go bbfs any problems call Dr Thurber

How long is the incubation period? 2 weeks or usually less? Thank you.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/19/health/first-us-multidrug-resistant-gonorrhea

Is your point that gonorrhea is becoming increasingly tough to treat? Point taken.

Is your point that gonorrhea today "can no longer be combated by antibiotics or any other remedy known to modern epidemiology." (your words). Just not true.

All the articles (including the one you just posted about two recent cases in MA) don't say that. From the article above:

"In addition to reduced susceptibility to ceftriaxone, the strains of gonorrhea identified in Massachusetts also showed reduced susceptibility to cefixime and azithromycin; the strains were resistant to ciprofloxacin, penicillin and tetracycline, according to a clinical alert sent to physicians by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health."

Reduced susceptibility is never good, but it's not resistance. I.e., those antibiotics still work, but just not as well as before.

According to the CDC, susceptibility means the bacteria can be treated with the drug, intermediate means the bacteria can be treated with the drug, but requires more of it and resistant means it can't be treated with the drug.

you know that both of those cases were cured, right? Or did you not get past the poorly written sensationalist website you use for news?

https://www.mass.gov/news/departmen...es-first-cases-of-concerning-gonorrhea-strain

whats your angle here? Do you think that everyone here is uninformed about the risks? Is this your Don Quixote windmill?

If so why are you taking the approach of being so misleading about the facts? why not just lead with the truth?
why are you running around saying people can die from it?


I'm not saying - nor did Thurber that everyone should go out and just do bbfs. I certainly don't. Thurber never said that. Maybe he does it, but that is his decision, not yours. It's a personal decision we all have to make based on the facts, and CNN or Fox are the last place you should go looking for facts. They make money based on web clicks, not accurate news reporting. you're just their cash cow.

Although to be honest - in this case the facts were in the CNN article, just so poorly written its difficult for some people to follow.

nobody died, the disease was treated. doctors are worried about the next one. pharmas need to do more research. YAWN!

If you're truly worried about STD's you should find a good doctor and talk to her. I talk to mine about it all the time, and I am comfortable with my approach. My approach personally is to not regularly do bbfs, but if i do and i am nervous afterwards, I have a standing prescription I get filled and take as a preventative measure immediately before any test is done. I believe, along with the CDC nowadays - that taking them sooner improves your chances of not getting anything. there was a thread on this last fall.

its not for you to worry about though. You should be safe underneath the bed or in the closet.

So instead of bashing let’s be mature adults -

There is a problem with this disease . The articles I posted were to make you aware of a progression in gonorrhea . The articles I posted were not intended to cite people dying - I can furnish that especially in Thailand , Vietnam, Malaysia and Africa. These type of diseases progress faster in underdeveloped countries. Currently the antibiotic cited here is not working as well , meeting a resistance that’s leaving US doctors concerned and wondering what the next course of action is .

Now if it makes you feel better to tell me to hide under the bed , no problem. You are selling yourself a false sense of security.

If you want to completely ignore what I have posted or twist it into a pissing contest - so be it - there is a stronger form out there , it is hurting people, it’s not always treatable .

If you think it’s worth getting syphillis , gonorrhea, herpes, Chlamydia, warts, HPV etc, go for it . If you have a wife and you are doing bbfs - shame on you .

You are adults , I made you aware of a new progression . I would suggest waiting and seeing how this unfolds . It’s not a macho thing, or a ring of fire .

You are transmitting disease from one provider to another . There is a period whereby you are positive but not exhibiting signs - if you habitually go bbfs, you are getting it from one and transmitting it to another - that is your choice too - I think it’s crazy but it’s your life -

It’s like any other addiction , it’s hard to tell an addict they have a problem .

One other thing if you are married - when you test positive:

NYS # 2307. Venereal disease; person knowing himself to be infected. Any person who, knowing himself or herself to be infected with an infectious venereal disease, has sexual intercourse with another shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Amen on god


Lmao I’m not even religious

Hate to correct you, but it wasn't Tony Soprano who said that... it was John C McGinley from the movie Get Carter. If you screwed up a classic line like that, what else did you screw up in that mission statement of yours, pal?

Actually it also did appear in a Sopranos episode - perhaps they lifted it - I believe it was the episode where the young kid sells his piece of the carting business to the wrong people for a higher price .

He gets caught in the middle and goes to Tony, and there is where it came up - I’ll see if I can find the clip .

I feel like we were hearing about this years ago. It isn’t new.

I remember hearing about antibiotic resistant gonorrhea years ago. Like at least five years ago.

Mods, I know we have to tread lightly, but a number of tines I have done BB at places known for it and I have had to take pills. Enough said.

I got to the point where I would start a course of antibiotics the day after my visits and it was fine:

If I am not allowed to say these things please delete, I don’t intend any harms. But the thread is open and it seems like a general healthy discussion about health.

"All this from a slice of gabagool?"

That's a great question. In 2003 we had SARS, then around 2014 MERS, 2020 Covid. All the same virus. The virus morphs, and affects us differently. That is what a virus does. It morphs. Yes actually as earlly as 2011 a reslient form of gonorrhea was picked up, and later in 2017 Zithro was dropped as an effective method of treating a new form of gonorrhea. The purpose of my post was to point out that the newest form is proving to be harder to cure and in some reported cases, mostly third world countries, non curable.

It was meant to be taken as a possible deterrant to BBFS. A virus morphs, and old information may no longer be pertinent nor applicable to newer stronger more aggressive froms.

Can you see where with all the BBFS going in how it is a bredding ground for stronger forms? That is how it happens with every virus. Also antibiotics used on the person over and over for the same disease become less effective.

dude you sound like those derange activists "oh sure its curable, now every is feel free to go bbfs"....if you have an issue with bbfs, like I am, just wear a fcking condom, if you still scare about maybe this hobby isn't right for you...

I do not engage in BBFS. The reason for my post is that a very close friend of mine, a long time monger, who used to tell me the same thing, now must report to the outpatient clinic for IV antibiotic treatment, which is stronger than pills. He has been treated several times, and even though abstaining from sex during treament, it keeps coming back. Two hours per treatment this is going on 7 weeks. We are all different and handle disease and exposure differently.

So yes I said my peace, I am sorry for caring about other people. Do as you will.

While you can get gonorrhea in your eye, it seems you're mixing up the symptoms with syphilis.