The only thing that I can add to that, based on conversations that I've had with a few managers that I have gotten to be friendly with, is that they have told me that they don't go out of their way to bring in black providers because most clients who are interested come once, get it out of their system or satisfy their curiosity, and then don't come back again with her. Don't know how accurate that is overall, but it was told to me by reliable sources.