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Drjon7

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Keep politics out of my post
as this is strictly a medical question.
(or do it as I find the mods responses entertaining)

Why wasn't there a major jump in covid cases
in NYC during/after all the protests?

You had thousands of people very close together
for hours, yelling, conversing, many with no masks etc for 25 -30 days straight and there was no reported increase in covid cases in NYC.
How is that possible?
Yes, people were outside but they were
very close to each other for hours on end.
Yes, most were young but with that many people, over that period of time there should have been
some noticable increase.
They would give it to older people etc.

There isn't a conspiracy theory here,
it's simply a medical question.
 

BVBV

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Good question since most of the places that had protests have seen a spike in cases. There was an article yesterday on yahoo that there was a controlled study in NYC. Not sure if I remember the numbers exactly but it was 4000 random tests for Corona antibodies. The number came back at 70% which means in NYC millions were exposed but had mild or no symptoms. They are repeating the study in a different area to compare numbers. If this holds up that would be great news as there would not be enough people to create a 2nd wave of Corona. Would also mean the death rate is incredibly low.
 

krideynyc

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Good question since most of the places that had protests have seen a spike in cases. There was an article yesterday on yahoo that there was a controlled study in NYC. Not sure if I remember the numbers exactly but it was 4000 random tests for Corona antibodies. The number came back at 70% which means in NYC millions were exposed but had mild or no symptoms. They are repeating the study in a different area to compare numbers. If this holds up that would be great news as there would not be enough people to create a 2nd wave of Corona. Would also mean the death rate is incredibly low.
So what you are saying is NYC is at Herd Immunity with that 70%?
 

BVBV

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I am saying if true it would be great news for NY. The fact that 70% of the population is immune would for sure help in containing the spread. This was just one study done with gov't backing so any result should be questioned. They are repeating the study elsewhere so we will see how it changes. Lets hope 70% is accurate.
 

krideynyc

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I am saying if true it would be great news for NY. The fact that 70% of the population is immune would for sure help in containing the spread. This was just one study done with gov't backing so any result should be questioned. They are repeating the study elsewhere so we will see how it changes. Lets hope 70% is accurate.
That would great. Except there’s more than one strain active, and we’re not sure if the same antibodies would provide immunity for every strain. And with cases of relapses, there are questions about the longevity of those antibodies in providing immunity. Still too early to call, even with such positive sampling.
 

hhnyc77

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Good question since most of the places that had protests have seen a spike in cases. There was an article yesterday on yahoo that there was a controlled study in NYC. Not sure if I remember the numbers exactly but it was 4000 random tests for Corona antibodies. The number came back at 70% which means in NYC millions were exposed but had mild or no symptoms. They are repeating the study in a different area to compare numbers. If this holds up that would be great news as there would not be enough people to create a 2nd wave of Corona. Would also mean the death rate is incredibly low.

One of the best posts about Covid was written by @Daveclark5 in this thread:

https://www.ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/as-pp-closed-temporarily.43675/page-6#post-355414

And I'll re-post the text here:

@Daveclark5

Wednesday at 7:51 PM

If we are going to have a medical discussion about the test, lets put the facts out there. Exit makes a point however leaves out a far more important point. When it comes to antibodies, it gets a little tricky. The cheap test is looking for antibodies, not a specific antibody. You can take this test, have the flu and light it up. You can take this test and have HSV 2 and light it up. Why? Because the test is looking for viral antibodies. Therein lies the inaccuracy. That is the fast and dirty crappy test the city privately contracted to make which uses blood serology with results within moments. The Covid 19 rubber hose up your nose, is 100% accurate. It is looking for Covid 19 and nothing else. It is a different test, way harder to get and takes days for the results. It’s called a “PCR assay,” which stands for “polymerase chain reaction,” and it is a specific type of nucleic acid test. It looks for traces of the coronavirus’ genetic material, which is what makes a virus do what it does.

Now onto Exit's last statement . Contracting and recovering from Covid, means you absolutely cannot get it again in the near future, how long is anybody's guess. When the disease hits, there are two type of antibodies a person can emit, neutralizing and non neutralizing antibodies. The Non neutralizing, are good for nothing. They simply put up a fight and get their ass kicked. Older people and compromised immune systems, diabetes, preexistence of disease, all stunt the immune system. Neutralizing antibodies, are the strong ones that flat line the disease. When you beat the virus, you have convalescent plasma in your system for months after,, no one knows how long yet. Your antibody memory cells remember the virus, and will not get caught by surprise for a long time. Convalescent plasma , well, we do know that people who had it 5 months ago are still immune and have had convalescent plasma extracted months later, in order to save another person.

Covid is a serious matter. It is a blood disease. It is now known to create an Ebola type blood disorder, which is why Remdesivir, an Ebola drug is working. After Covid hits the lung, it can cause a vascular tropic effect where the endothelial proteins are invaded causing the vessels to malfunction into an endothrlium a breakdown of the crucial blood vessel proteins. It is causing strokes, heart attacks and kidney shutdown especially in the 25-35 age group. We do not know why. There is a school of thought that a younger circulatory system pumps the diseased blood harder and faster, overwhelming the body. Please do not write me to dispute this, there are the unadulterated facts. Just be careful. Try to forget about paying money and having to wear a mask, just wear it, and understand we cannot do all the things we want to right now. Even if you find a willing provider, and there are some, you are throwing the dice. Enough said.
 

BVBV

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I would think you would be protected in some degree to all of the strains. Hard to tell with a virus. We need a new flu vac each year but small pox vac last a lifetime. We can control HIV now but still nothing to stop HSV . The right virus has the potential to kill billions.
 

yougen

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I am saying if true it would be great news for NY. The fact that 70% of the population is immune would for sure help in containing the spread. This was just one study done with gov't backing so any result should be questioned. They are repeating the study elsewhere so we will see how it changes. Lets hope 70% is accurate.
The number I saw in early May was 20-25%. Don't know if they updated the numbers.
 

hhnyc77

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Keep politics out of my post
as this is strictly a medical question.
(or do it as I find the mods responses entertaining)

Why wasn't there a major jump in covid cases
in NYC during/after all the protests?

You had thousands of people very close together
for hours, yelling, conversing, many with no masks etc for 25 -30 days straight and there was no reported increase in covid cases in NYC.
How is that possible?
Yes, people were outside but they were
very close to each other for hours on end.
Yes, most were young but with that many people, over that period of time there should have been
some noticable increase.
They would give it to older people etc.

There isn't a conspiracy theory here,
it's simply a medical question.
Valid question and I don't know the answer to that, but let's think about it. When you say "many with no masks", how accurate is that statement? I haven't participated in any protests, so I don't know what the crowds were like with regards to what percentage were wearing masks. With NYC being at the epicenter, I would imagine the number of folks (at least on a percentage) basis were likely higher? Just an assumption and not based on facts...

Also, to be counted in an official tally of cases, you have to have tested positive via a test. And though the number of folks being tested are rising, it's not nearly enough to account for a wide swath of the population. I would also suspect that if someone who attended a protest had mild symptoms, they would likely know to try to self-isolate/quarantine themselves, without having to go to a hospital.

And though still a lot we don't know, the transmission rate is likely far lower outdoors because of the environmental factors? Again, that would be my guess.
 

krideynyc

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I would think you would be protected in some degree to all of the strains. Hard to tell with a virus. We need a new flu vac each year but small pox vac last a lifetime. We can control HIV now but still nothing to stop HSV . The right virus has the potential to kill billions.
That’s because Smallpox hasn’t mutated since we’ve found a vaccine. Whereas Influenza mutates to multiple new strains every year.
 

yougen

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On the other hand, the New Yorkers are much more careful now, presumably because of the large number of Covid related deaths earlier. I was in the city this past weekend. The people walking and biking on the streets all wore face masks and kept distances.
 

Daveclark5

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That’s because Smallpox hasn’t mutated since we’ve found a vaccine. Whereas Influenza mutates to multiple new strains every year.
According to the studies based on all the companies searching for the holy grail " vaccine", this virus, so far, does not possess the viral mutative qualities of the H1N1 flu.. however, we do not know once administered how long the immunity of this vaccine will last. Knowing medical science and profits, if they had a choice of treating you with a one year or a 3 month period... they will put the 3 month one out first.
 

Daveclark5

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@Drjon7 Give it another two weeks. We don’t get a surge of symptoms for at least that long.
Also I do not know if you heard the news, but NJ is bracing for a powerful wave. I saw those people on TV Memorial Day and July 4th. No masks, walking around like the Ostrich effect .meaning sticking ones head in the sand, making believe this does not exist. It does exist, it is a rare case of not seeing is believing. If NJ is having a powerful 2nd wave which Phil Murphy said will result in more shutdowns, this too will come here. More reason to wear those masks. Think before you do and look before you leap. Don't worry if other mongers say they do not care. Like my grandma used to say," if everyone jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, that doesn't mean you should" Be careful...
 

krideynyc

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According to the studies based on all the companies searching for the holy grail " vaccine", this virus, so far, does not possess the viral mutative qualities of the H1N1 flu.. however, we do not know once administered how long the immunity of this vaccine will last. Knowing medical science and profits, if they had a choice of treating you with a one year or a 3 month period... they will put the 3 month one out first.
Like I was told by my doctor friends: even if they charge a $1 profit per shot, the market has billions of customers. While it may not have the same mutation characteristics as H1N1, this one has already mutated to over a dozen strains during the past 6 months. Keeps those scientists on their toes.
 

Daveclark5

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Like I was told by my doctor friends: even if they charge a $1 profit per shot, the market has billions of customers. While it may not have the same mutation characteristics as H1N1, this one has already mutated to over a dozen strains during the past 6 months. Keeps those scientists on their toes.
Not really the S protein invading the act 2 cell remains stable - we do not remain stable - people hanging in bars , no masks close quarters make the in door airborne qualities more volatile
 

BVBV

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You can find another study today out of Britain that looked into 12 million cases worldwide. The conclusion was the same as we thought if you are over 80 this virus is big trouble. If you have diabetes, obesity, hypertension, asthma, etc it is very dangerous. Those people should be protected but almost all other healthy people have little problem with it. I am just summarizing look up the study and don't shoot the messenger.
 

krideynyc

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Not really the S protein invading the act 2 cell remains stable - we do not remain stable - people hanging in bars , no masks close quarters make the in door airborne qualities more volatile
Granted the attacking mechanism is the same, but that aids more in regards to inhibitors. But may not apply in terms of variations of the vaccine if needed to tackle the different strains.
 
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