DELUSIONAL thinking...

[pocoloco51]

Was inspired to post this after reviewing the “offerings” on another WELL known site for “pros.”

Upon review, I think some of these ladies are DELUSIONAL when it comes to their VALUATION, and, apparently, NO one is there to tell them.

I get it. It’s a “free market,” yada yada...

Nothing against that. All for it. Good example is a pro reviewed by brother “Uniquelyme” earlier named “Haruka,” who if her appearance and skills are LEGIT, is entitled to ask for WHATEVER “donation“ she likes.

But, when I go on this other site, and I see what they believe to be “fair value,” I gotta ask myself - REALLY?!

I just hope none of us HERE are making the all too common mistake of thinking with the wrong “head” and perpetuating these ladies fantasies that they are WORTHY of such EXTREME “donations.”

Thoughts/opinions (other than the ubiquitous “take it or leave it?”)

Thanks for reading/contributing.

 

[doofu77]

Where are people talking about the girls “fair value"?

 

[richardp2918]

the bid-ask is very wide in the ho market. fragmented market, little transparency, no central clearing house, difficult to settle, no uniform quality standards, asymmetrical information, etc etc. On the one hand, you have stunning newbie college or dancer girls getting 69ed and CIMed at KMPs for $300...and then you have that fugly whore girlfriend of Jeff Bezos.

 

[takeya201]

“Fair value”? Let me know when the legalization/decriminalization is here.

Until then prices will be what they are when there’s demand and supply being met. There’s obviously a lot of high end providers that can sustain themselves at their rates because there’s a girl for everyone imaginable.

Know what’s better? Free. At home. Lol

 

[richardp2918]

“Fair value”? Let me know when the legalization/decriminalization is here.

Until then prices will be what they are when there’s demand and supply being met. There’s obviously a lot of high end providers that can sustain themselves at their rates because there’s a girl for everyone imaginable.

Know what’s better? Free. At home. Lol

I once met a female friend's friend who was a high end escort who traveled the world with very wealthy guys. I never did get what her rate was, but my friend would only say that if I have to ask, I couldn't afford it...which just sounds like bitchy girls trying to feel superior. But the escort definitely had an air of sophistication and worldliness about her and was traveling on private jets and hanging out on yachts and 5 star hotels. I really really really wanted to have a session with her, but she made it clear I was not up to snuff.

I think it's like any relationship business, you make the right contacts, put up the right facade, and deliver the goods and for wealthy clients, the money matters less than the reliability of getting what they like. I suspect this girl made her contacts hanging around wealthy middle eastern guys in places like Dubai.

 

[pocoloco51]

OK, gentlemen, allow me to establish an AGREED upon baseline so that we have the appropriate context with which to frame the conversation -

Fair market value for a “GFE AMP” pro is bet. 3 and 4 “bills.”

Fair market value for a “middle of the road” indy should be about 4 bills.

Can we ALL agree on this, and that anyone who veers away from these parameters is OUTSIDE that “fair value” range, and, therefore, OVERvalued?

(It should go without saying that these “numbers” pertain to the METRO NY area only )

 

[takeya201]

Well, I can't really agree on much here because it's all just wishful thinking. If the places you've already reviewed said next week the new rate is $ cheaper across the board with no shortage of quality of service you'd jump at it and possibly go double the amount of times. I know I would.

OK, gentlemen, allow me to establish an AGREED upon baseline so that we have the appropriate context with which to frame the conversation -

Nada. $50, baby. Now pull my pants down and work for 30 minutes!

Fair market value for a “GFE AMP” pro is bet. 3 and 4 “bills.”

Fair market value for a “middle of the road” indy should be about 4 bills.

Can we ALL agree on this, and that anyone who veers away from these parameters is OUTSIDE that “fair value” range, and, therefore, OVERvalued?

Disagree cuz supply and demand. There's always someone with a bigger dick in the room so even if you don't wanna pay up, someone is gonna get right in there like @thieftakergeneral running through all my wives and mistresses around NYC.

I think it's like any relationship business, you make the right contacts, put up the right facade, and deliver the goods and for wealthy clients, the money matters less than the reliability of getting what they like. I suspect this girl made her contacts hanging around wealthy middle eastern guys in places like Dubai.

I agree. There’s a girl for everyone. If some wealthy Dubai prince wanted to drop 1k or 5k for 1hr of time that's his prerogative.

But would that be overvalued, @pocoloco51 ? I don't think so entirely, we're just outclassed for sure. We out here by window drooling looking in.

This is the oldest profession in the world after all.

 

[richardp2918]

Well, I can't really agree on much here because it's all just wishful thinking. If the places you've already reviewed said next week the new rate is $ cheaper across the board with no shortage of quality of service you'd jump at it and possibly go double the amount of times. I know I would.


Nada. $50, baby. Now pull my pants down and work for 30 minutes!


Disagree cuz supply and demand. There's always someone with a bigger dick in the room so even if you don't wanna pay up, someone is gonna get right in there like @thieftakergeneral running through all my wives and mistresses around NYC.


I agree. There’s a girl for everyone. If some wealthy Dubai prince wanted to drop 1k or 5k for 1hr of time that's his prerogative.

But would that be overvalued, @pocoloco51 ? I don't think so entirely, we're just outclassed for sure. We out here by window drooling looking in.

This is the oldest profession in the world after all.

I've been reading about this Brunei prince in the article below for a long time. Obviously there are many others of his ilk in the middle east, which is the basis for movies like Taken and Spartan (both great movies!) take some material.

I don't know any of these guys, but I've met guys on the periphery of their entourage or crashed parties they throw (tho not any of these rumored sex parties unfortunately) and they just live in a different world. It's not even about the money, Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates would be just as shocked...it's more about an entire infrastructure they develop to have a steady stream of new girls coming through their harem of dozens of high end escorts lounging around for their enjoyment at a moment's notice.

There are lesser and trashier US versions of this in guys like Dan Bilzerian, Jho Low of 1MDB fame, or Hollywood moguls, but I don't think you can replicate the financial, legal, and social setup of being a sovereign ruler who sets the rules and raids the country's coffers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8788754/sultan-brunei-playboy-brother-jefri/

 

[takeya201]

I'm reading this article... holy shit, lol. Yeah, it's kind of amazing and scary what people with so much wealth and power can and will do.

 

[pocoloco51]

Well, I can't really agree on much here because it's all just wishful thinking. If the places you've already reviewed said next week the new rate is $ cheaper across the board with no shortage of quality of service you'd jump at it and possibly go double the amount of times. I know I would.


Nada. $50, baby. Now pull my pants down and work for 30 minutes!


Disagree cuz supply and demand. There's always someone with a bigger dick in the room so even if you don't wanna pay up, someone is gonna get right in there like @thieftakergeneral running through all my wives and mistresses around NYC.


I agree. There’s a girl for everyone. If some wealthy Dubai prince wanted to drop 1k or 5k for 1hr of time that's his prerogative.

But would that be overvalued, @pocoloco51 ? I don't think so entirely, we're just outclassed for sure. We out here by window drooling looking in.

This is the oldest profession in the world after all.

Gotta appreciate the EFFORT..., even if I disagree with the RESULT.

WE are the market.

Therefore, “en masse,” WE establish the avg. “price point.”

Alls I’m saying is, I don’t get chicks (“pros” would elevate them UNNECESSARILY) charging EXORBITANT “donations” when, IMO, nothing about them warrants it.

 

[takeya201]

Alls I’m saying is, I don’t get chicks (“pros” would elevate them UNNECESSARILY) charging EXORBITANT “donations” when, IMO, nothing about them warrants it.

Simply because someone out there has a bigger dick than both of us combined swinging in there... lol.

 

[richardp2918]

Simply because someone out there has a bigger dick than both of us combined swinging in there... lol.

I agree with both of you. As Takeya says, there are insanely wealthy and powerful guys who live insane fantasy lives with harems of young beauties that we will never be able to replicate. But I see the brighter side of things...there are some insanely hot women that I fantasized about as a kid, but now I realize all I need to do is make an appointment and I can bang them almost...almost...at will. and I've done exactly that when I was super horny.

I'll roam around Amsterdam, Seoul 588, or figure out a lineup of half a dozen KMP girls that are working for the night and I'll bang one and have a wild time, go for a drink or date or pickup girls at bars, then go bang another one or the same one again...have a few more drinks and if I have the energy, I'll go bang a third (which almost never ever happens, and certainly not in many years).

So I am banging and spending time with almost as many girls as Prince Jefri, but at a tiny micro fraction of the price. So I'm with Pocoloco on this point, no need to pay a fortune, you can have an amazing time without spending Prince of Brunei money. It's the beauty of the markets. Like having an Uber that you call when needed, instead of a dedicated limo driver waiting around and wasting your money.

 

[nycdude]

OK, gentlemen, allow me to establish an AGREED upon baseline so that we have the appropriate context with which to frame the conversation -

Fair market value for a “GFE AMP” pro is bet. 3 and 4 “bills.”

Fair market value for a “middle of the road” indy should be about 4 bills.

Can we ALL agree on this, and that anyone who veers away from these parameters is OUTSIDE that “fair value” range, and, therefore, OVERvalued?

(It should go without saying that these “numbers” pertain to the METRO NY area only )

Depends on what "middle of the road" means. Does this mean appearance and service on par with GFE amp girls ? The indy servicing in the privacy of her place or a hotel is a different vibe than a spa. What if she is a more selective and lower volume ? What about more services than typical amp ? How about no c-section scar or fluent english communication ? What about ethnicity ? Does that have any factor in NYC ? Does the indy pricing change depending on the guy ? I doubt the indy target market are the guys who are on ampreviews.

I think the indy market is different enough that direct $ comparisons to GFE amps is difficult. If the indy can sustain herself at her asking price, then the price is correct.

 

[pocoloco51]

Depends on what "middle of the road" means. Does this mean appearance and service on par with GFE amp girls ? The indy servicing in the privacy of her place or a hotel is a different vibe than a spa. What if she is a more selective and lower volume ? What about more services than typical amp ? How about no c-section scar or fluent english communication ? What about ethnicity ? Does that have any factor in NYC ? Does the indy pricing change depending on the guy ? I doubt the indy target market are the guys who are on ampreviews.

I think the indy market is different enough that direct $ comparisons to GFE amps is difficult. If the indy can sustain herself at her asking price, then the price is correct.

By “middle of the road,” I mean more of a “GND” type, vs. some SUPER model type.

Look, if Giselle Bundchen (pick your own supermodel) wants to charge a GAZILLION dollars, it makes SENSE, and she could EASILY justify it.

But, when some “GND,” with just a’ight looks and skills, wants to charge that kinda rate?

in the midst of a recession/depression?

then, yeah... DELUSIONAL thinking.

 

[nycdude]

By “middle of the road,” I mean more of a “GND” type, vs. some SUPER model type.

Look, if Giselle Bundchen (pick your own supermodel) wants to charge a GAZILLION dollars, it makes SENSE, and she could EASILY justify it.

But, when some “GND,” with just a’ight looks and skills, wants to charge that kinda rate?

in the midst of a recession/depression?

then, yeah... DELUSIONAL thinking.

I get it, but you mentioned $400 should be the fair price for middle of the road. Trying to get a sense what middle of the road means to you in appearance and service. Take a typical gfe amp girl and make her indy. Is that what you are saying should be $400 ?

 

[pocoloco51]

I get it, but you mentioned $400 should be the fair price for middle of the road. Trying to get a sense what middle of the road means to you in appearance and service. Take a typical gfe amp girl and make her indy. Is that what you are saying should be $400 ?

Well, bet. us fellas, I actually think “GFE AMPs” are UNDERvalued.

Had a session recently at MAGFE that I got at a STEAL.

 

[Zzzz]

I doubt the indy target market are the guys who are on ampreviews.

This is a fairly accurate statement and blows the delusional thinking conclusion out of the water.

If we're being honest, many of the guys on this website either have an aversion to or inability to go above the $300/hr. price point. The NYC indy scene actually is looking to shut these types of customers out by inflating their prices so high. It's not all about greed on their part. It's also about quality of the clientele - clients who have the ability/ willingness to pay $1k per hour is a good indication of how they value their women (very different from guys who fight to keep pricing at $240-280/ hr.)

 

[richardp2918]

Well, bet. us fellas, I actually think “GFE AMPs” are UNDERvalued.

Had a session recently at MAGFE that I got at a STEAL.

This is a fairly accurate statement and blows the delusional thinking conclusion out of the water.

If we're being honest, many of the guys on this website either have an aversion to or inability to go above the $300/hr. price point. The NYC indy scene actually is looking to shut these types of customers out by inflating their prices so high. It's not all about greed on their part. It's also about quality of the clientele - clients who have the ability/ willingness to pay $1k per hour is a good indication of how they value their women (very different from guys who fight to keep pricing at $240-280/ hr.)

I definitely think $300-400 GFE with beautiful girls like Cherry or Jelly (or Bin from what I hear) are a great bargain...certainly if there were more girls like them at those prices, I'd be all over it.

I also agree that providers will screen for the quality of clients. I lucked out with a truly stunning and upscale girl in Thailand, perfect English, sophisticated, worldly, well traveled, educated, intelligent, model level stunning, but broke up with her British fiancee of many years and had no choice but to dance at NaNa bars, which is near the bottom of the rung outside of street whores. Soon after her time with me, she upgraded to a much higher end escort agency, making much more per day and only having to fuck 1 or 2 guys a day, sometimes getting week long gigs with a bachelor party group or even just one guy. More money, more upscale clientele, less wear and tear...why wouldn't she?

 

[pocoloco51]

This is a fairly accurate statement and blows the delusional thinking conclusion out of the water.

If we're being honest, many of the guys on this website either have an aversion to or inability to go above the $300/hr. price point. The NYC indy scene actually is looking to shut these types of customers out by inflating their prices so high. It's not all about greed on their part. It's also about quality of the clientele - clients who have the ability/ willingness to pay $1k per hour is a good indication of how they value their women (very different from guys who fight to keep pricing at $240-280/ hr.)

Wait... so are you calling your FELLOW members CHEAP bastards?

 

[richardp2918]

Wait... so are you calling your FELLOW members CHEAP bastards?

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Rather...wise connoisseurs of good value. Makes me wonder...would it be an insult or compliment to tell a girl like Cherry or Jelly that she is good value?