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- Thread starter Bandit1582
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The "they can't prove anything" part is nonsense. Once your name is in the public domain being associated with this sort of business, your goose is cooked (unless you have no shame with your family or your employer won't care).
Nobody with a brain should be providing sensitive personal info to these businesses. Will they sign an NDA back to you? Will you be able to sue them if they breach the terms? Will they send you their personal info so you can hold them accountable if something goes wrong? Thry won't put themselves at risk, so why should you?
References exist for a reason, and while they are not perfect, there is not really a better solution. They always have the right to turn you down or ask for more references if they are not comfortable.
It is a dangerous risk to encourage and support the practice of providing sensitive personal info as part of screening. Mongers should stop doing it.
Nobody with a brain should be providing sensitive personal info to these businesses. Will they sign an NDA back to you? Will you be able to sue them if they breach the terms? Will they send you their personal info so you can hold them accountable if something goes wrong? Thry won't put themselves at risk, so why should you?
References exist for a reason, and while they are not perfect, there is not really a better solution. They always have the right to turn you down or ask for more references if they are not comfortable.
It is a dangerous risk to encourage and support the practice of providing sensitive personal info as part of screening. Mongers should stop doing it.
I don't know. I never send ID to anybody. If references are not good enough for somebody, I respectfully walk away. No hour of fun is worth the risk to me.
There are a few past examples of data breaches for similar business ruining lives.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Madison_data_breach
There are a few past examples of data breaches for similar business ruining lives.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Madison_data_breach
Funny, but places that ask for ID usually ask for photo ID backed up by a business card so they can look you up on LinkedIn. So if you have a different face than the stuff you've sent thrn...then you are blacklisted and you don't get in.
Other places ask you to show up with the same ID you've sent them to prove its you. Again, if your face doesn't match, blacklisted.
So while these tricks may work now and then they rarely will be successful. Unless you're doing some face-off style shit, in which case, awesome
Other places ask you to show up with the same ID you've sent them to prove its you. Again, if your face doesn't match, blacklisted.
So while these tricks may work now and then they rarely will be successful. Unless you're doing some face-off style shit, in which case, awesome
I downloaded it but I pretty much summed it up unless you need specific dates haha. Even screenshotted the Citizen's Alert.
Probably not a good idea to repost.
IANAL but the only real thing she's probably gonna have against her is disorderly/trespass/robbery but since she has proof she didn't steal anything it'll likely dismiss. The other stuff about money between Y and J have nothing to do with her.
Admission of guilt for promoting prost thing well that's something else for her to figure out.
They took it down like 2 days ago at around 6PM. I was gonna archive the posts.
That's where all the gossip and stuff was at.
Clearly removed because of Jen std accusing people without proof which is a no-no anywhere.
Surprised the mods over there let that one sit for so long. Also couldn't find record.
Probably not a good idea to repost.
IANAL but the only real thing she's probably gonna have against her is disorderly/trespass/robbery but since she has proof she didn't steal anything it'll likely dismiss. The other stuff about money between Y and J have nothing to do with her.
Admission of guilt for promoting prost thing well that's something else for her to figure out.
They took it down like 2 days ago at around 6PM. I was gonna archive the posts.
That's where all the gossip and stuff was at.
Clearly removed because of Jen std accusing people without proof which is a no-no anywhere.
Surprised the mods over there let that one sit for so long. Also couldn't find record.
Agree 100%.
If a provider asks for personal data, stand your ground and say that you respect her need for safety, but you don’t give out personal information. Mention that you won’t ask for her information either. If she insists, walk away.
This goes doubly for agencies, who will use your data as a bargaining chip.
If a provider asks for personal data, stand your ground and say that you respect her need for safety, but you don’t give out personal information. Mention that you won’t ask for her information either. If she insists, walk away.
This goes doubly for agencies, who will use your data as a bargaining chip.
Yeah but you have to start somewhere.
It's great if you've already got references but if you're new with no one to vouch all the newbie friendly ones will want ID or work reference.
It's getting harder and harder to do that though with the laws and assholes that are fucking up the game.
This one girl I was spotting I gave her my references and still wanted a work.
Unless you're one of *those* people who hang with similar and you get an introduction in? That's the only way I can see you getting your foot in the door with absolute anonymity.
So at the very least you need at least 1. the 2nd one can be a reference you have your first intro a girl to you.
Also believe I found the case. Went before a grand jury and it's going ahead.
I'm confident that I've got the right trail.
It's great if you've already got references but if you're new with no one to vouch all the newbie friendly ones will want ID or work reference.
It's getting harder and harder to do that though with the laws and assholes that are fucking up the game.
This one girl I was spotting I gave her my references and still wanted a work.
Unless you're one of *those* people who hang with similar and you get an introduction in? That's the only way I can see you getting your foot in the door with absolute anonymity.
So at the very least you need at least 1. the 2nd one can be a reference you have your first intro a girl to you.
Also believe I found the case. Went before a grand jury and it's going ahead.
I'm confident that I've got the right trail.
Not sure if I should or not. Something you need to know? LOL
3 charges were added yesterday for her and 2 for him.
Arrest seems to be Jen claiming credit card theft.
So they're pinning for Robbery in the 2nd.
Dude is back this month with a male defense.
She won't be back until September though since she has to sort out the hole she dug herself in with the promoting prost thing lol
female defense.
Would be interesting to see it play out.
3 charges were added yesterday for her and 2 for him.
Arrest seems to be Jen claiming credit card theft.
So they're pinning for Robbery in the 2nd.
Dude is back this month with a male defense.
She won't be back until September though since she has to sort out the hole she dug herself in with the promoting prost thing lol
female defense.
Would be interesting to see it play out.
Privacy and last thing I want is to spotlight the attention on them.
Some 0 post/review registered user yesterday messaged me asking for details. This one dude pretty much explains why not to post it.
That's not cool.
Other than her phone evidence,
She's not even actively listing the agency anymore so what is there for blue to pursue?
There's also no incentive to waste precious resources to press charges on clients unless proof of huge transactions or low hanging fruit.
I could theoretically write a huge list of people I hate and their phone numbers in a book with imaginary transaction numbers.
Turn myself in and saying I'm a pimp I let the girls go here's my client list and record books. All the money is gone since it was never real.
What you gonna do about it.
Likely scenario I get arrested but without actual proof it's all conjecture.
Are they gonna go through every phone number and name to see if it's a truth or not?
Hell anyone who gets called will outright deny it or ask for a lawyer.
In that scenario where your (hopefully redacted) ID is compromised it's not a big deal so many alibis for that.
What you should be afraid of is CCTV and ground surveillance.
How many street cameras are there? Neighborhood stores with outdoor cameras?
They will have your image going into the place so you can't deny being there.
I've had CCTV requests before and it's hit or miss because it has nothing to do with the main establishment.
At most a weeks worth of surveillance rarely a month assuming that it worked in the first place.
I've had 2 personal experiences at least, where a crime occurred and CCTV were requested.
1 of 3 things I've handled.
First one was storage space was full and the cameras were on but nothing saved.
Second one cameras were running but the angle was so obscured it didn't even matter.
Third one was past the grace period of the loop.
Again, IANAL.
Knowing with the evidence presented she'll probably plead guilty on the prost charge.
She could probably get that dismissed depending circumstance and if on how her texts are written and how good her lawyer is I guess but depends on what she recorded. Maybe her phone hasn't been compromised yet or she wasn't carrying more incriminating phone that's another fact to consider.
If you need an example, I don't think any of them go after clients. Doesn't make sense unless transactions are huge or low hanging fruit.
This one place the owner went into settlement. Place is still running.
Doesn't deny anything wrong but "agrees" won't do any further wrong.
Asked to pay a 3000 fine. Agrees to warrantless search for 3 years.
They removed all sexy pictures from their list and references of acts which had they been smart about it should had been from get go.
In other words, unless you got a license don't promote massages and avoid clients who might make people want to 311/911.
On a more funny note, at least I found out this male establishment also got hit with orange postits last year. Imagine getting the assignment for that.
They're still adverting same location too. If you know which place I'm referring to I'm not judging you. LOL.
Some 0 post/review registered user yesterday messaged me asking for details. This one dude pretty much explains why not to post it.
That's not cool.
Other than her phone evidence,
She's not even actively listing the agency anymore so what is there for blue to pursue?
There's also no incentive to waste precious resources to press charges on clients unless proof of huge transactions or low hanging fruit.
I could theoretically write a huge list of people I hate and their phone numbers in a book with imaginary transaction numbers.
Turn myself in and saying I'm a pimp I let the girls go here's my client list and record books. All the money is gone since it was never real.
What you gonna do about it.
Likely scenario I get arrested but without actual proof it's all conjecture.
Are they gonna go through every phone number and name to see if it's a truth or not?
Hell anyone who gets called will outright deny it or ask for a lawyer.
In that scenario where your (hopefully redacted) ID is compromised it's not a big deal so many alibis for that.
What you should be afraid of is CCTV and ground surveillance.
How many street cameras are there? Neighborhood stores with outdoor cameras?
They will have your image going into the place so you can't deny being there.
I've had CCTV requests before and it's hit or miss because it has nothing to do with the main establishment.
At most a weeks worth of surveillance rarely a month assuming that it worked in the first place.
I've had 2 personal experiences at least, where a crime occurred and CCTV were requested.
1 of 3 things I've handled.
First one was storage space was full and the cameras were on but nothing saved.
Second one cameras were running but the angle was so obscured it didn't even matter.
Third one was past the grace period of the loop.
Again, IANAL.
Knowing with the evidence presented she'll probably plead guilty on the prost charge.
She could probably get that dismissed depending circumstance and if on how her texts are written and how good her lawyer is I guess but depends on what she recorded. Maybe her phone hasn't been compromised yet or she wasn't carrying more incriminating phone that's another fact to consider.
If you need an example, I don't think any of them go after clients. Doesn't make sense unless transactions are huge or low hanging fruit.
This one place the owner went into settlement. Place is still running.
Doesn't deny anything wrong but "agrees" won't do any further wrong.
Asked to pay a 3000 fine. Agrees to warrantless search for 3 years.
They removed all sexy pictures from their list and references of acts which had they been smart about it should had been from get go.
In other words, unless you got a license don't promote massages and avoid clients who might make people want to 311/911.
On a more funny note, at least I found out this male establishment also got hit with orange postits last year. Imagine getting the assignment for that.
They're still adverting same location too. If you know which place I'm referring to I'm not judging you. LOL.