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Massage only offer turning into all inclusive

KittyHawk

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There is drama, many of us will never be aware of just how much.
I had an experience a little while back and I had to wonder if there was drama between two providers. I went to see my ATF and when I got there was another girl
waiting in the parlor. She took my arm and immediately started steering me toward a massage room. I asked for my ATF and she said "not here, not here". She no sooner
finished saying not here and my ATF comes out from the back of the shop. I felt like I had gotten in the middle of something.
 

mikemendez

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I had an experience a little while back and I had to wonder if there was drama between two providers. I went to see my ATF and when I got there was another girl
waiting in the parlor. She took my arm and immediately started steering me toward a massage room. I asked for my ATF and she said "not here, not here". She no sooner
finished saying not here and my ATF comes out from the back of the shop. I felt like I had gotten in the middle of something.
I bet after you left there was a fight, a pissed off provider over her customer and money, stand back because you just might see a boxing match. You ever see an Asian girl pissed off, careful friend.
 

Fred Garvin

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Getting back to the topic, to me its all a matter of chemistry and a little more green. There is a place I go to regularly and it has been reviewed on this site. It is described a just a R&T. My girl has also been reviewed here and she is described as nice, but strictly HJ and not even OTC roaming. First time I went that was all true, but there was something about her that we just clicked. By my third visit she was totally nude with unlimited roaming. Fourth visit, 69 on the table, CIM. Fifth visit amazing FS. And that's the way its been every time I go. I have no reason to see anyone else at this place, only her. If I want variety, I go to another spa. I make sure I am always clean and freshly showered. I make sure I'm the first appointment of her day. I treat her with respect and always make her laugh. Does she do this with other gents? Perhaps, but I don't care. I know what we have and its fun.
 

AnotherRound

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Only been to 2 places that offer massages and nothing else and in one case, I've gotten more while the other remains the same. In both scenario, we discussed their limits and I've respected it. For the one case, I was only expecting a clothed HJ, which was what I got for the first couple of visits. After that, the tits came out (and included roaming/sucking) and a bit later, I'm getting the body slide treatment. I've asked if she'll ever offer anything more than that (BJ or FS) but she says no and I'm fine with that. Lately, we've gotten to 69 so who knows where it will lead to next.

I continue to see them both (one works at a spa, the other is an independent) because they give really great massages and I have a great time there. Also, in both cases, I've been paying the same, the tip may have gone up just slightly but nothing outrageous.
 

VJLUTZ

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Getting back to the topic, to me its all a matter of chemistry and a little more green. There is a place I go to regularly and it has been reviewed on this site. It is described a just a R&T. My girl has also been reviewed here and she is described as nice, but strictly HJ and not even OTC roaming. First time I went that was all true, but there was something about her that we just clicked. By my third visit she was totally nude with unlimited roaming. Fourth visit, 69 on the table, CIM. Fifth visit amazing FS. And that's the way its been every time I go. I have no reason to see anyone else at this place, only her. If I want variety, I go to another spa. I make sure I am always clean and freshly showered. I make sure I'm the first appointment of her day. I treat her with respect and always make her laugh. Does she do this with other gents? Perhaps, but I don't care. I know what we have and its fun.
Great story. There are few things more satisfying than "turning" a supposedly legit provider. It can happen, but the rub is that it usually requires multiple visits, so the ROI is not immediate. It's often a leap of faith if you feel the chemistry is there. But, at the end of the day, seeing her get naked and say: "Owner say no fucking...….But I fuck you. Only you. Don't tell anyone, okay?" can almost make you pop right then and there.
 

TGBeldin

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There are a lot of women in all aspects of sex work who have their limits, but there is almost always YMMV to some degree. For some it depends on the openness of your wallet, but for some it depends more on respect and trust.

I have several women who clearly give me extra of different varieties, but I would never publicize those because I know they are not on the regular menu. I don't have any reason to think I am unique in getting some of those extras, but I am very certain most clients do not. It is her choice.

So long as I get treated well with the expected menu, I will go back. Extras are just that, extras. They are appriciated, and I will likely reciprocate in some way, but if I get what the "contract" was, I have no reason to complain because there were not extras.

No different than other places. Before my mechanic of many years retired he would do extras on my cars, or do a small job for free while he had in the shop for something else. I appriciated it and it kept me coming back, but when he retired I didn't get turned off by the next mechanic who only did the work I contracted for.
 

Snow2015

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I have been going to a place in ctown for a couple of years..the first experience was a legit massage ..signs on the walls keep underwear on...but then over time the menu expanded..which is smart on their part as they realize they need to offer some variety...I agree with vjlutz...its a real rush when it happens
 

Chiparlor

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I would not wear a mask. I would show them my face and let them know indirectly that the le is dirty and the masseuses are beautiful and hard working women supporting our country!
 

VJLUTZ

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I would not wear a mask. I would show them my face and let them know indirectly that the le is dirty and the masseuses are beautiful and hard working women supporting our country!
It's an interesting thought. Very problematic though. For starters, I'd probably be disowned by my wife and kids. Next, I'd be fired from my day job. Also, with my luck, I'd be harassed by LE and Do Gooder NGOs. Before I knew it, I'd be facing Federal charges for "encouraging human trafficking" or some shit.

I'd have to preface every event with "I've never actually been to an AMP, but if I went this is what I'd do...…."

Maybe we could get some "reformed" AMP girls to tag along???
 

Chiparlor

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I know one reformed amp lady because she decided to escape amp life last Saturday because of an external pressure. I picked her up from a NJ parlor and brought her to NY. She vented out everything. One of her comments caught my attention was that the American society think "regular massage" is dirty where it is really the other way that the le is dirty.
 

TGBeldin

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Great story. There are few things more satisfying than "turning" a supposedly legit provider.
A long story with a moral, from a very close friend who used to be a top end escort, and now runs her own legit massage business out West.

A couple years after she retired from escorting and her massage business was starting to gain traction, she had one young guy regular who started hinting that he liked her, and would "accidentally" expose himself a little during a massage.

He was a cop (he came in uniform more than once, and she cross checked his badge with another coo friend of hers. When she confirmed that he was a cop, and that there was no sting anywhere in the works, she started playing coy with him. She started to use her very appreciable "flirting but shy" routine on him. Giving him a quick touch one time. Telling him "I can't, I'm not that kind of girl", etc.

He kept getting hotter for her. She gave him a hand job at the end of one massage, but wouldn't accept anything extra as a tip. Then no extras for a few more sessions.

Finally he said he would pay if she would fuck him with a massage. She kept turning him down, and he kept begging, and raising his offer. When he reached $1,000 she acquiesced and ducked him--knowing hertalents, probably the best ride he ever had.

Since then he gets a massage and fuck once a month, but at a more reasonable price. He is convinced he had this great conquest--even bragging about it to her cop friend, though he says he got laidbecause of his charm and great body without mentioning that he pays for it.

He is the only guy she has as an escorting client, and she has info filed away (e-mails) that show he solicited her, not the other way, in case he gets pissed and wants go after her at some point (she doesn't expect that sort of thing).

The Moral of the Story: Sometimes you can't be sure who has turned whom.
 

findinit

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'massage only' meaning 'therapeutic massage only becomes HE' after a few visits? Never happened but I always hope it will!

'Massage only' meaning 'R&T massage becomes fs' after a few visits? Never done it but it has been offered.
 

VJLUTZ

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The Moral of the Story: Sometimes you can't be sure who has turned whom.
Money is the great equalizer. I think most girls who work in an AMP (legit or not) would fuck for $1000; a lot of civvies would too.

The real conquest is when you can get them to fuck you without giving them anything out of the ordinary. Maybe tip a little extra w/o going overboard. But if you go down that road, it almost certainly involves a lot of inane texting and coaxing. You also develop the [questionable] skill of using stickers to express yourself. When you add up all the time and effort involved with that, $1000 may seem like a screaming bargain.
 

Nottarobot

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Please help me understand - per rog314's comment above -"I have seen this occur more often with independents or UTRs. " - What is UTR an acronym for? The only thing I can find is Universal Tennis Rating, and I trust that's not it! Thank you.............
Your serve Dude! <g>
 
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