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Review: Deportation
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There are layers of management.
Who exactly is the "owner" is often difficult to ascertain.
There are the ones who oversee day-to-day operations, then next step up ("regional managers"), etc. These middle managers visit the shops only occasionally.
Those guys usually get hit with money laundering, tax evasion, etc., basically white-collar crimes, generally separate from sex worker allegations and from ICE immigration-related busts.
A couple months back there was a coordinated bust of seven shops in upstate NY (Albany, etc.) and nearby CT. The main target was a regional manager and the objective was to capture cash, although they snagged at least one provider who had a prior. They ripped open walls and ceilings looking for greenbacks.
Surprisingly, many of these shops reopened under new management after a month or so. Well, maybe not surprising.
The RM lawyered up and is out on bail.
The unlucky provider is in Texas fighting extradition.
Who exactly is the "owner" is often difficult to ascertain.
There are the ones who oversee day-to-day operations, then next step up ("regional managers"), etc. These middle managers visit the shops only occasionally.
Those guys usually get hit with money laundering, tax evasion, etc., basically white-collar crimes, generally separate from sex worker allegations and from ICE immigration-related busts.
A couple months back there was a coordinated bust of seven shops in upstate NY (Albany, etc.) and nearby CT. The main target was a regional manager and the objective was to capture cash, although they snagged at least one provider who had a prior. They ripped open walls and ceilings looking for greenbacks.
Surprisingly, many of these shops reopened under new management after a month or so. Well, maybe not surprising.
The RM lawyered up and is out on bail.
The unlucky provider is in Texas fighting extradition.
Not a surprise, many blue states have been acting like the old confederacy for years-- insisting on sanctuary cities in violation of federal law,.this nullification cheered on by the same usual suspects that claim due process is important to them. Makes you laugh what laws people say are crucial on one hand and what ones they reject out of hand simultaneously.
“Sanctuary” is a misnomer. “Non-cooperation” is more accurate.
It started with Giuliani. The theory is that local police need cooperation to maintain law and order, and that fear of deportation due to contact with local police will prevent that cooperation.
At the same time, the local police are under no requirement to enforce federal immigration law. The only requirement is that they not impede its enforcement.
So it isn’t sanctuary in the sense of protecting immigrants from the immigration authorities. It is non-cooperation with them. Impeding immigration officers has always been a crime and still is.
What Stephen Miller and Thomas Homan are demanding is that the local police enforce federal immigration laws, which they are not and have never been obligated to do.
Nassau County is the only county in New York in which they do.
It started with Giuliani. The theory is that local police need cooperation to maintain law and order, and that fear of deportation due to contact with local police will prevent that cooperation.
At the same time, the local police are under no requirement to enforce federal immigration law. The only requirement is that they not impede its enforcement.
So it isn’t sanctuary in the sense of protecting immigrants from the immigration authorities. It is non-cooperation with them. Impeding immigration officers has always been a crime and still is.
What Stephen Miller and Thomas Homan are demanding is that the local police enforce federal immigration laws, which they are not and have never been obligated to do.
Nassau County is the only county in New York in which they do.
Notifying ICE that LE has an undocumented in custody and when such was going to be released from custody e.g., individual has completed terms of incarceration, IMHO, is not enforcing immigration law.
For example, notifying ICE that an undocumented has completed sentence for assault or rape, allow one of two ICE agents to safely pick up such individual at the jail/prison and process deportation. By not cooperating, such individual is released into the public and armed ICE agents have to, a lot riskier situation, hunt him down. Also, should there be other undocumented individuals there who haven't been charged with any crimes, say spouse, children, friends, fellow students, etc.,, ICE has an obligation to pick them up too. This collateral damage to those not convicted of any crime would not happen is the individual was picked up at the jail/prison.
For example, notifying ICE that an undocumented has completed sentence for assault or rape, allow one of two ICE agents to safely pick up such individual at the jail/prison and process deportation. By not cooperating, such individual is released into the public and armed ICE agents have to, a lot riskier situation, hunt him down. Also, should there be other undocumented individuals there who haven't been charged with any crimes, say spouse, children, friends, fellow students, etc.,, ICE has an obligation to pick them up too. This collateral damage to those not convicted of any crime would not happen is the individual was picked up at the jail/prison.
Here are the points you are making...
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/sanctuary-policies-overview/
https://www.rescue.org/article/due-...Constitution and,defend their rights in court.
Maybe Donny is just vindictive...
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-la...g-against-blue-states-sets-up-historic-crisis
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/sanctuary-policies-overview/
https://www.rescue.org/article/due-...Constitution and,defend their rights in court.
Maybe Donny is just vindictive...
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-la...g-against-blue-states-sets-up-historic-crisis
These women were not convicted of anything. They were arrested. At least one of them is in the country legally. They were both immediately turned over to ICE for detention, sent to New Jersey for a couple days, and then to Basile, Louisiana, which is where they sit in terrible conditions.
Nassau County police are enforcing federal immigration laws in all arrests if they profile anyone as an illegal immigrant. If you know anyone with a reason to be worried about this, tell them to carry their passport, their green card, or their c3 work permit and drivers’ license with them.
This is not the rule of law. Even law enforcement — in a free country, especially law enforcement — should follow the law.
Nassau County police are enforcing federal immigration laws in all arrests if they profile anyone as an illegal immigrant. If you know anyone with a reason to be worried about this, tell them to carry their passport, their green card, or their c3 work permit and drivers’ license with them.
This is not the rule of law. Even law enforcement — in a free country, especially law enforcement — should follow the law.
Agreed.
However, since 20million plus undocumented have entered US with many, many unvetted, there are going to be mistakes made.
So to help reduce the chance of a mistake and grief it can cause it seems prudent to me that legal immigrants should carry, as you posted, some sort of ID such as green card or c3 work permit.
I don't see how a passport would help much as an illegal immigrant could have a passport.
However, since 20million plus undocumented have entered US with many, many unvetted, there are going to be mistakes made.
So to help reduce the chance of a mistake and grief it can cause it seems prudent to me that legal immigrants should carry, as you posted, some sort of ID such as green card or c3 work permit.
I don't see how a passport would help much as an illegal immigrant could have a passport.
I mean if they’re citizens they should carry their U.S. passports.
We live in a country right now in which ethnic minorities, especially if their English is spotty, need to carry their papers.
The most reliable estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants (illegal aliens if you prefer) is 11 million. Higher numerical claims are what Trump calls “truthful hyperbole” and most of humanity used to call lies.
Trump, via his ghost writer in “The Art of the Deal”:
“People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion.”
We live in a country right now in which ethnic minorities, especially if their English is spotty, need to carry their papers.
The most reliable estimates of the number of undocumented immigrants (illegal aliens if you prefer) is 11 million. Higher numerical claims are what Trump calls “truthful hyperbole” and most of humanity used to call lies.
Trump, via his ghost writer in “The Art of the Deal”:
“People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration, and a very effective form of promotion.”
US citizens need not carry their passports in the US (and you know that) however if I am typical, I carry a drivers license, have a car registration, insurance car a debit and a credit car, a cell phone registered to me, speak with a local accent, all of which are not proof of citizenship but a reasonable person would probably conclude that I am not an illegal immigrant or as some call them illegal alien and no further investigation of my status would be needed
I don't know where I got 20 million (and I apologize for being sloppy) from but your 11 million is according to PEW Research center for 2022 with another 1.6 million estimated in 2023 seems reasonable.
With those kinds of numbers mistakes are going to be made.
I don't know where I got 20 million (and I apologize for being sloppy) from but your 11 million is according to PEW Research center for 2022 with another 1.6 million estimated in 2023 seems reasonable.
With those kinds of numbers mistakes are going to be made.
If a provider is a U.S. citizen but due to appearance and poor language skills might be mistaken for a non-citizen, she would be well-advised to carry a U.S. passport or other proof of citizenship. Proof of residency won’t do it. At least it didn’t in the case of the Hicksville arrests and subsequent detainments by ICE.
In the U.S., for the time being, immigrants are going to have to get used to “Your papers” being demanded by masked men carrying M4s and Sig 320Cs.
The mistakes they make have people wind up in Louisiana, with a risk of being flown to Panama, before anybody can stop it.
In the U.S., for the time being, immigrants are going to have to get used to “Your papers” being demanded by masked men carrying M4s and Sig 320Cs.
The mistakes they make have people wind up in Louisiana, with a risk of being flown to Panama, before anybody can stop it.