hey guys lets tone it down

You went on a rant about the religious right, which is often a frequent boogeyman for those on the far left. When it comes to the topic of shutting down or pressuring AMPs I don't see where religion or politics (left and right) come into play.

I live in central NJ in a town that a few years ago decided to aggressively pressure 3-4 hard core AMPs and shut them down to where all that's left are a couple mostly legit massage places where a HJ is all you're going to get, at most. Meanwhile the next town over has 3-4 full service AMPs (each frequently reviewed on this board) and they seem to be under no such pressure.

Politics nor religion had anything to do with the closures. The AMPs in my town were poorly located to where neighbors were frequent complainers. Not at all the case with the other town as these seem to be in spots where people are unlikely to complain..

Unfortunately, there IS a political angle: Evil White Men using their "privilege" to exploit poor, hapless Asian women.

Never mind that a lot of us are not White. There are a lot of #MeToo types out there who would love to crucify straight White men (for the crime of being straight White men). They might just settle for the Straight Men part, but the White label would be bonus points.

And paradoxically, lots of virtual signaling White men would cheer too if LE got our scalps. Why? Because it would help to get them laid in the short-mid term and they naively imagine the PC Boogeyman will never come for them.

Sorry if I seem divisive or cynical, but I've seen too much of this shit over the last decade or so.

I don't go on rants, but wished to point out a historical fact related to the creation of laws governing sex work in the US.

Thanks for your thoughts.

In the olden days # metoo would have read "pound me too". Think about that.

Fair enough lefty but I haven't really seen anybody on the left in a big hurry to repeal these laws. That's why I say politics and religion are largely irrelevant to this discussion.

I thought so. Don't be a dumbass and meet hobbyists you don't know in public and talk about your exploits. I think they talked at this restaurant every now and then or weekly something like that. This isnt as out in the open like that.

More of the angry Religious Right. Too angry to read what others are posting. Too angry to open their eyes to what is actually happening. I'd gladly make a similar comment about the Wacko fringe on the Left, but they don't post here very often.

This is one of those issues where the RW and LW extremists agree on the end game, though for different reasons. The RW extremists wants to force their morals on everyone—200 years of Puritan based “values and morals” that can’t differentiate between capital punishment and buying a bottle of wine on a Sunday. The LW extremists want to do exactly the same thing: impose their morals on everyone.

BOTH ends of the spectrum want to shut this down. And of course, it will be the police/courts that do so, but they know they have more serious issues to address, so they are typically only going to react to neighborhood pressure—and on this issue there is just as much of that from the RW church goers as from the LW feminists. But you are so Trump-washed that you only see the Big Bad Government Swamp Monster Liberals. Open your eyes, there are bible thumping preachers leading protest of massage parlors every bit as much as there are feminist man haters. In fact, near Ft Leavenworth KS a while back I watched as the two groups picketed a massage parlor together. (In one of those “truth is stranger than fiction” moments, the protest fell apart after a while when the two groups started shouting and verbally fighting about boycotting an abortion clinic the next day.)

If you are on this board and do play in this world, just admit it: you are NOT conforming with the Thumper Way. Quit blaming all life’s ills on “THEM”, the Fake Deep State. In many cases it is the civil government that stands between you and compulsory church attendance, compulsory tithing, prohibition, and numerous other things based upon “200 years of values and morals”, which is actually closer to 400 years of Calvinist and Puritan ideology that isn’t far from the Talibal’s beliefs.

I am not anti-religious at all. I am actually right of center in my political beliefs. But I am quite capable of recognizing the Orwellian horror in both the Left AND Right extremists.


Spot on. And to the other point: of course you are in a greater danger of being arrested in a raid than from your writing a post on here—that isn’t the point. The more posts—especially the more graphic posts—about a spa you frequent, the more likely you will be caught in a raid of that spa. Look at when raids happen: they spike after a bunch of public outcries from Left or Right, and they spike when the mayor and police chief are up for reelection (but no, there is no politics in this). And in both those situations the cops do it because they are pushed to by the public—and they will go after the easiest targets that generate the best PR for them.

For someone who claims his politics is on the right why do you use the tactics of the left? Disagree with a leftist and they automatically brand you a person of the far-right, trying to nullify the speaker so his views can be dismissed. I don't see any anger in my posts or benzy45's---we obviously just don't think you are being fair to the issue. Pretty presumptuous and careless of you to go around labelling people as 'Trump-loving angry RW religious extremists' just because they don't view a handful of people in say Alabama as the massive threat to society as you do. You're not going to win any arguments putting these silly labels on people.

These are state laws. I thought people on the right believe in federalism and state rights? I may not agree with prostitution laws for the most part---there are many bad laws I disagree with but at least it's not federal law like abortion or same-sex marriage or other issues where the voter has no say in the matter. It's not like prostitution laws in a state can never be overturned. Like benzy45 observed, where is the appetite to repeal these laws? I don't see it. Certainly not here in the 'liberal' northeast. But I guess the fact that the liberal NE still has prostitution laws on the books is the fault of 'bible thumpers' in the south.

"The RW extremists wants to force their morals on everyone". Wrong terminology for the point (off-base as it is) you are trying to make. A RWer is someone who believes in smaller-government, in line with what our constitution specifies. A LWer believes in big top-down centralized government. An extreme LW belief is that the government is never too big and it's reach and compulsion are always justified. So a "RW extremist" would be someone who believes in no government at all, essentially an anarchist.

You claim to be on the right, yet you have some very odd views of who your political enemies are and don't seem to grasp our nation's founding principles and the values undergirding those principles. We all seem to be getting laid just fine despite some antiquated prostitution laws and the religious boogie-men that seem to keep you awake at night.

You seriously oversimplify. On many of your points.

First. RW and LW, neither is a homogeneous mass of people, nor is either defined by a single issue. Yes, size of government--both federal, state, and local IS ONE of the issues. But there is not a single "right size" that either end of the spectrum believes in. I also am far more concerned that the Born Again group will push just what they are pushing this week: THEIR version of the bible taught in schools. Not necessarily MY version, certainly not Thomas Jefferson's or Alexander Hamilton's version. I fought the Taliban far to hard for us to do the same thing, just waving a different book.

Second, within the Republican/Conservative collective some of us DO believe a few of our brethren are off the deep end. Just as the Dems/Libs are not all "Progressives".

Third, and most important to this discussion, the laws that seriously threaten this community are FEDERAL trafficking, money laundering, and fake terrorist charges--and many of the people in DC pushing that ARE motivated by the moral beliefs, not an actual fear that AMPs are terror cells. Read some of what Jeff Sessions has said about drugs, sex trafficking, and money laundering--almost unable or unwilling to acknowledge they don't come inherently linked together. And lest you think "well, he's gone", the remaining appointees (not so much the "deep state" career civil service guys) make Sessions look like a Satanist. They want to establish a bible-based morality, and only their version of the biblical morals. They would be happy to bring back stoning of adulteresses if they thought they could.

BackPage, etc., were not brought down by local folks, liberal or conservative. It was pushed by the extremists of both ends.

what the fuck have i created

You are like the Kardashian’s you created Nothing. And certainly nothing to be so proud of.

Thread should of been locked pages ago.

All of that's great TG but I'm not the one here that brought up politics or religion in this thread. Like you said, both sides of the political spectrum are against legalizing this hobby so therefore I think any debate about it on this board is a complete waste of time.

And as far as graphic posts, go on rubmaps. They have numerous graphic posts from shops that have been opened for a decade or more. I think a lot of you guys seriously underestimate law enforcement. They know damn well where these places are and what goes on there. They don't need ampreviews to figure it out. But as I said above, LE doesn't swing into action until there is a complaint.

Your comment about the police chief or mayor being up for re-election is not at all what I meant about politics. I was talking about left and right political views. I figured u knew that.

I think your fear and concern of the "religious right" is wildly overwrought. I assume u live in NJ. Can u explain to me in what way the "religious right" have any impact on your life?

"nor is either defined by a single issue. Yes, size of government--both federal, state, and local IS ONE of the issues. But there is not a single "right size" that either end of the spectrum believes in."

You're trying to be cute with obfuscation.. It is the defining and overarching belief which differentiates the 2 schools of thought.

Constitutional conservatives=belief in limited government as proscribed by our founding documents. The left=the constitution means whatever the hell we say it means, and if something we like isn't in there the kook judges we appoint will find it in there regardless. And besides it's an ancient, out of date document. We are 21st century enlightened oh so wise people, so who needs to be governed by a 230 year old text written by slaveholders anyway.

No, I don't live in NJ but spend time there for work and visiting relatives.

Ways I have been impacted, directly or indirectly:
--Can't buy a bottle of wine on Sundays.
--My favorite escort agency was closed after a bellicose campaign led by a Baptist preacher--who was later arrested for soliciting an undercover gay streetwalker by the way.
--A major plan to renovate the worst part of the downtown district was canceled because a local church claimed it would be too noisy for their Sunday congregation--what they objected to was the bars and restaurants that would a accompany a basketball area. Lat I looked, few such places are very busy on Sunday mornings, but the church won, and the area is still a crime and drug infested area.

There are three that took less than 5 min to think of.

It that is your litmus test for a "Conservative", that's your call. It is far from a universal one. I attend a Rep group in my area, and a second one that is Conservative/Libertarian. Both those groups have issues they are more passionate about than strictly "size of government". They tend to scream "government is too big" only when it impinges on what they want. But isn't that exactly the definition of "conservative"? To conserve the status quo? So yes, the conservatives in general do not want change--they have it good as is.

They also want to ignore may pieces of the law. Just a few things many of the extreme conservatives want to reinterpret: the separation of church and state, the honoring of treaties (especially, but not exclusively, those with Native Americans). I agree with you that judges should not make laws, but it is not only the Libs that have kook judges who overstep their bounds when they interpret. It is just that you do not consider them kooks when they interpret in a way you approve. But that fault lies more with the legislative branch for passing (and the executive for signing) ill defined laws. And both sides do that--write 1000+ page documents that NEITHER side has actually read, including the congressman who submitted it! I have gone into congressmen's offices with quotes and implications of laws THEY supposedly wrote, showed it to them, and they have claimed vigorously "it doesn't say that". Even after I show them the place in the document itself. "But that's not what we mean!" But it IS what is SAYS, so when a court interprets it and holds them to WHAT IT SAYS, they get pissed and claim that the courts are legislating. No, it is often bad, sloppy, or ill thought out legislation verbiage. Two recent examples: Obamacare, a wretchedly written Dem law, and the recent tax reform, a wretchedly written Rep law.

The rest of your post is BS. If you think the original constitutional signers were perfect then you want to reenact slavery, only let white males vote, acknowledge that Native Americans are not really human (read Thomas Jefferson on that one), outlaw an Air Force, and let Obama be reelected 50 times. We do not live in an agrarian non-industrial society insulated from the world by near impassable oceans any more. So no, being governed by a 230 year old doc as it was written is foolish.

Constitution has been amended 27 times , last in 1992 . Is not as old as u say , change it when u don't like it .

Strongest always rules , simple .

Good for you, TG. Very impressive.