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any place with minimal verification?
- Thread starter gradualpika
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Don’t think theres anyway around it. You can try seeing if you can blur out the important information on your ID(month&date of dob, id#, address, last name). You might get lucky and the PO will accept if not you’ll just have to settle for low end c-orgs or bite the bullet and meet the requirements for verification
That's true, but Google and Amazon have more info on me than that, and I've used my passport around the world for decades. Way more likely to get fucked by someone in Suzhou than the pimp down the street.
I've had my identity stolen twice. Both times by dirtbags at so called reputable companies. I'm just not that worried about a D/L pic ending up on some list.
I've had my identity stolen twice. Both times by dirtbags at so called reputable companies. I'm just not that worried about a D/L pic ending up on some list.
In fact, there is little risk providing this info, as some of the replies suggest. There is extensive discussion on ampreviews (search my handel,), with evidence examples, like no known outing of mongers by orgs, but other types of outing more likely, like you inadvertently texting your significant other.
This worried is voiced every few days on this forum.
The problem is this is a widely held fear of ID theft compromise driven by media. Just because others have it doesn't make it valid.
This worried is voiced every few days on this forum.
The problem is this is a widely held fear of ID theft compromise driven by media. Just because others have it doesn't make it valid.
No. I've done it, but you get to blank out ssn, address on DL, etc. Mostly it's a valid pic on your curent valid DL, linked to a paystub or bank statement. You have to show enough info to link pay stub to DL, so like showing part of address or name. I'm retired so I didn't do the pay stub.
Of course I've had qualms, but I've had qualms about getting ripped off, of getting dragged into a bust, of getting burned by the provider, or getting outted to my friends which would be an embarrassment, luckily I have no significant other.
If you are worried about ID theft, you can put a fraud alert on all 3 credit agencies, which I have done by the way, way better than paying monthly.
You haven't read the extensive discussion (search my handle) about why the orgs ask for this. Search thread "Review: BGC's Crown Jewel I: Jamie" and look at discussion starting at comment #14.
You are more likely to get outed by something off your radar, than have your info compromised by an org. It's your unreasoned fear talking. When you go to a motel, they take your credit card and drivers license.
The orgs do it to protect the providers from the few bad mongers who violate providers who fear going to the police. Turns out if a monger is anonymous and looking for sex, they are way more likely to do bad things. It's the reason young women are told not get picked up in cars by young strange guys.
Even some guys aren't aware that being anonymous, they will violate boundaries, if they know, no one can identify them. Notably, if a women will allow you to have sex with them for cash, which violates social rules, makes them sluts or lesser humans, then some guys feel it's ok to have non- permissive sex or violence with them.
If you've been on these forums as long as I have, you would have heard stories about provider X having to change name due to getting stalked, or provider Y winding up in hospital, or provider Z getting traumatized and having to leave.
Keep in mind how many different guys a provider might see over 15 years career, and it only takes one among all the providers of an org, for the org to get a bad rap for inability to screen out the bad mongers. And, it's not just the provider that gets hurt, it's stupid monger behavior that jeopardizes the orgs. LSC shutdown their San Mateo operation 2 years ago, supposedly due to stupid monger behavior. If you notice, they have rules they expect you to obey. Your willingness to pony up the info and your fear of getting outed, means you are more likely to follow the orgs rules.
Providing a current DL with pic with pay stub means you are not a deadbeat, lowlife, but a responsible member of society with a lot to lose and way less likely to violate a provider. The pic is to make sure you are the guy at the door, not somebody who showed up at the right time to rip off and violate (which has also happened). Keep in mind traditional chinese houses like bordellos have a guy on the premises, so qualifing was less of an issue
But if you insist on staying anonymous, then I don't want you let in to any org. They have plenty of business. The providers and orgs are taking way bigger risks than you.
Most of this has already been explained elsewhere. Sorry, to go off on this, but all the newbies don't get it. Every few days, someone says self righteously, "no way am I going to give them that stuff" ID theft freakout, and then the need for sex makes them do it. Ironically, I now think that fear is part of the qualifying. The org wants you to be afraid so you will behave, unlike the anonymous rapist who isn't afraid of getting caught.
Of course I've had qualms, but I've had qualms about getting ripped off, of getting dragged into a bust, of getting burned by the provider, or getting outted to my friends which would be an embarrassment, luckily I have no significant other.
If you are worried about ID theft, you can put a fraud alert on all 3 credit agencies, which I have done by the way, way better than paying monthly.
You haven't read the extensive discussion (search my handle) about why the orgs ask for this. Search thread "Review: BGC's Crown Jewel I: Jamie" and look at discussion starting at comment #14.
You are more likely to get outed by something off your radar, than have your info compromised by an org. It's your unreasoned fear talking. When you go to a motel, they take your credit card and drivers license.
The orgs do it to protect the providers from the few bad mongers who violate providers who fear going to the police. Turns out if a monger is anonymous and looking for sex, they are way more likely to do bad things. It's the reason young women are told not get picked up in cars by young strange guys.
Even some guys aren't aware that being anonymous, they will violate boundaries, if they know, no one can identify them. Notably, if a women will allow you to have sex with them for cash, which violates social rules, makes them sluts or lesser humans, then some guys feel it's ok to have non- permissive sex or violence with them.
If you've been on these forums as long as I have, you would have heard stories about provider X having to change name due to getting stalked, or provider Y winding up in hospital, or provider Z getting traumatized and having to leave.
Keep in mind how many different guys a provider might see over 15 years career, and it only takes one among all the providers of an org, for the org to get a bad rap for inability to screen out the bad mongers. And, it's not just the provider that gets hurt, it's stupid monger behavior that jeopardizes the orgs. LSC shutdown their San Mateo operation 2 years ago, supposedly due to stupid monger behavior. If you notice, they have rules they expect you to obey. Your willingness to pony up the info and your fear of getting outed, means you are more likely to follow the orgs rules.
Providing a current DL with pic with pay stub means you are not a deadbeat, lowlife, but a responsible member of society with a lot to lose and way less likely to violate a provider. The pic is to make sure you are the guy at the door, not somebody who showed up at the right time to rip off and violate (which has also happened). Keep in mind traditional chinese houses like bordellos have a guy on the premises, so qualifing was less of an issue
But if you insist on staying anonymous, then I don't want you let in to any org. They have plenty of business. The providers and orgs are taking way bigger risks than you.
Most of this has already been explained elsewhere. Sorry, to go off on this, but all the newbies don't get it. Every few days, someone says self righteously, "no way am I going to give them that stuff" ID theft freakout, and then the need for sex makes them do it. Ironically, I now think that fear is part of the qualifying. The org wants you to be afraid so you will behave, unlike the anonymous rapist who isn't afraid of getting caught.
Fair enough so you didn't provide ALL the info on your DL, paycheck and bank statement. But you still have to be careful; I've seen cases where ID thieves took someones DL with photo and added the address they pulled from google. They only screwed up by using 10 characters for the DL #
Yes I have been a victim of ID theft. By the time I received fraud alerts the damage was done. It took a lot of pain and effort to clear it up with banks and the IRS.
Look, I understand why the orgs are asking for this information but providing it every time to a new org puts the customer at risk. The greedy orgs are refusing to share references for customers in good standing but will share info about the bad customers. Surely there's a better way to do this but mitigate the risk of fraud. Escorts have been doing this for a long time by giving the customers choice of using preferred411.
Also everyone aversion to risk is different. There people who will not always wear a condom but will always wear a safety belt when driving.
Yes I have been a victim of ID theft. By the time I received fraud alerts the damage was done. It took a lot of pain and effort to clear it up with banks and the IRS.
Look, I understand why the orgs are asking for this information but providing it every time to a new org puts the customer at risk. The greedy orgs are refusing to share references for customers in good standing but will share info about the bad customers. Surely there's a better way to do this but mitigate the risk of fraud. Escorts have been doing this for a long time by giving the customers choice of using preferred411.
Also everyone aversion to risk is different. There people who will not always wear a condom but will always wear a safety belt when driving.
These are really good points. I apologize if I was trivializing your legitimate fears about the ID info. I was sort of on a late night rant.
Good point about DL pic getting lifted, but how did that happen? The point is there are probably lots of ways to get your pic, like from your social media. (I don't have any social media presence.) But, as you pointed out, they got the address from Google, not from a kgirl org.
Yes, having been a victim of ID theft, I can appreciate you being gun shy. Over 10 years ago as I mentioned when identity theft became a thing, after studying the issue, I proactively put fraud alerts on all three credit agencies which I know works because I applied for a home depot credit card because of good discount. The application didn't go thru, I realized because of fraud alert. This still seems to be the most effective solution to ID theft.
Preferred411 has the same problem as Ashley Madison. It's a juicy target for hackers. Why do you trust preferred411 more than the orgs? Unlike preferred411, the org monger list is probably not directly online, but some type of manual searchable database on the same computer as the scheduling, and maybe text connection.
But yeah, at least preferred411, I understand takes reports from providers about bad mongers. My understanding is it was more intended for independent providers, but I don't know if orgs trust it, having different needs and no input into their screening processes, or way to determine efficacy or if preferred411 lies about how effective its processes, and what do orgs do if preferred411 lets a bad monger thru their screen? How do we know, that preferred411 is effective for providers or just a more sophisticated than urcleared.com?
It's discussed somewhere on ampreviews that urcleared.com which is supposed to do the same as preferred411 is run by or very closely affiliated with BGC who has used it to qualify mongers. Naive mongers will give urcleared.com complete pics of DL paystub etc. that they won't give to BGC, but evidently urcleared.com just sends it to BGC! It's not like you can report them. Again, why do mongers trust urcleared.com more than BGC?
If you look at the other discussion, there is no reported fraud other than fake or 10 year old provider pics. The big risk issue is getting outed as a person seeing providers, risking marriages, relationships, embarrassment. Probably the reason Jeff Bezos got divorced and lost 1/4 of his fortune was because his mistress' brother got paid by a muck raking publisher to out him (I think).
If you risk a relationship with a significant other if outed, you should have a plausible explanation, even if embarrassing for why your phone number, pics, name show up on a website. Keep in mind that it's really difficult to legally publish any info without legal consequence. I think there are at least many hundreds of Silicon Valley multi-millionaires who are monger.
It seems to me that the problem is you have tunnel vision about ID theft which seems less likely to re-occur, but are missing how you are more likely to get burned, similar to how you missed your own vulnerability to ID theft at the time and how to effectively prevent it.
I will say it is not unlikely that some security problem will arise from mongering, but your ability to anticipate it or prevent it is nil, except to stop mongering, and even that won't stop liabilities from your past before you stopped. So, you should prepare for damage control, like have a plausible explanation.
Why the orgs won't more fully share qualifying data is another discussion which has also been discussed.
I get that everyone's aversion to risk is variable, but counter intuitively it doesn't mean that someone like you with a high aversion to risk is safer than one with a lower aversion like me who better understands the risks, and can tolerate my info going public.
Good point about DL pic getting lifted, but how did that happen? The point is there are probably lots of ways to get your pic, like from your social media. (I don't have any social media presence.) But, as you pointed out, they got the address from Google, not from a kgirl org.
Yes, having been a victim of ID theft, I can appreciate you being gun shy. Over 10 years ago as I mentioned when identity theft became a thing, after studying the issue, I proactively put fraud alerts on all three credit agencies which I know works because I applied for a home depot credit card because of good discount. The application didn't go thru, I realized because of fraud alert. This still seems to be the most effective solution to ID theft.
Preferred411 has the same problem as Ashley Madison. It's a juicy target for hackers. Why do you trust preferred411 more than the orgs? Unlike preferred411, the org monger list is probably not directly online, but some type of manual searchable database on the same computer as the scheduling, and maybe text connection.
But yeah, at least preferred411, I understand takes reports from providers about bad mongers. My understanding is it was more intended for independent providers, but I don't know if orgs trust it, having different needs and no input into their screening processes, or way to determine efficacy or if preferred411 lies about how effective its processes, and what do orgs do if preferred411 lets a bad monger thru their screen? How do we know, that preferred411 is effective for providers or just a more sophisticated than urcleared.com?
It's discussed somewhere on ampreviews that urcleared.com which is supposed to do the same as preferred411 is run by or very closely affiliated with BGC who has used it to qualify mongers. Naive mongers will give urcleared.com complete pics of DL paystub etc. that they won't give to BGC, but evidently urcleared.com just sends it to BGC! It's not like you can report them. Again, why do mongers trust urcleared.com more than BGC?
If you look at the other discussion, there is no reported fraud other than fake or 10 year old provider pics. The big risk issue is getting outed as a person seeing providers, risking marriages, relationships, embarrassment. Probably the reason Jeff Bezos got divorced and lost 1/4 of his fortune was because his mistress' brother got paid by a muck raking publisher to out him (I think).
If you risk a relationship with a significant other if outed, you should have a plausible explanation, even if embarrassing for why your phone number, pics, name show up on a website. Keep in mind that it's really difficult to legally publish any info without legal consequence. I think there are at least many hundreds of Silicon Valley multi-millionaires who are monger.
It seems to me that the problem is you have tunnel vision about ID theft which seems less likely to re-occur, but are missing how you are more likely to get burned, similar to how you missed your own vulnerability to ID theft at the time and how to effectively prevent it.
I will say it is not unlikely that some security problem will arise from mongering, but your ability to anticipate it or prevent it is nil, except to stop mongering, and even that won't stop liabilities from your past before you stopped. So, you should prepare for damage control, like have a plausible explanation.
Why the orgs won't more fully share qualifying data is another discussion which has also been discussed.
I get that everyone's aversion to risk is variable, but counter intuitively it doesn't mean that someone like you with a high aversion to risk is safer than one with a lower aversion like me who better understands the risks, and can tolerate my info going public.