Artificially Low Prices In The Bay

[Floorhump422]

Was just curious as an EC monger used to paying 3 and 3.2 for sessions why sessions in the Bay have historically been lower than everywhere else in the country. This recent price increase aside, has it simply been a question of supply being greater than demand? Or did the price remain at 2.2 for so long because "it's always been that way"?

I won't render a judgment on what I think about the increases, but will say that in a vacuum, it's morally derelict to increase prices without increasing the quality of service. I will also say that it seems from here that, generally, the quality of service and girls as well as the variety of girls on the EC is worse than that of the Bay and yet we're paying more, often for the same providers. I know the comparison has been made between the Bay and LA multiple times, but is there a well-known reason why markets in such close geographical proximity (relatively speaking) to one another historically had such distinct pricing?

 

[stef_sandoval]

From what I gathered they say it's because in the Bay K-Girls can expect to get a lot of volume of customers to constantly stay busy at the lower rate of 220 than other regions with higher rates. Not sure how true that statement is. In theory they make more loot even at a lower rate since the bay provides them a high volume of clientele.

 

[jpowellrulzz]

Yeah, that's right. Bay area girls end up making more by the end of day seeing volume of clients, mostly repeats. That's non-BS economic fact.

 

[R0cketmanV]

First, you can't keep prices "artificially" low without some entity that enforces price ceilings,ie government. Prices below equilibrium point are enacted via laws usually and create shortages as demand exceeds supply.

I mean, I believe that's basic microecon shit they teach in high school.

This isn't what was happening in the bay. What happened is many providers and orgs were high volume. Also there is a large concentration of orgs in a relatively small area. Unlike socal where OC and LA might as well be 100 miles apart and where things are too stretched out, distance between San Mateo orgs and most SJ orgs is less 30 minute drive with no traffic. The techies in silicon Valley create sausage fests. And many orgs in sj are walking distance from some major companies buildings.

All of this created a situation where the prices were initially low (historical) , competition high and nearby, and volume high. And orgs were careful to raise prices because one large price jump was not met with approval.

But the gap wasn't all that big though. The difference between LA and bay was something like 40 on average in 2019, I believe.

 

[Rapscallion]

Was just curious as an EC monger used to paying 3 and 3.2 for sessions why sessions in the Bay have historically been lower than everywhere else in the country. This recent price increase aside, has it simply been a question of supply being greater than demand? Or did the price remain at 2.2 for so long because "it's always been that way"?

I won't render a judgment on what I think about the increases, but will say that in a vacuum, it's morally derelict to increase prices without increasing the quality of service. I will also say that it seems from here that, generally, the quality of service and girls as well as the variety of girls on the EC is worse than that of the Bay and yet we're paying more, often for the same providers. I know the comparison has been made between the Bay and LA multiple times, but is there a well-known reason why markets in such close geographical proximity (relatively speaking) to one another historically had such distinct pricing?

It’s coz of supply. There more Asian providers in Cali than in NYC, Joisey, DC, Virginia or any other state back East.
OTH, there more Eastern European and Latina (Brazilian, Dominican, etc) providers at comparably lower prices back East, than here, Eg the Latina houses in Queens or Patterson charge something like $30-$60 for a quick fix.

 

[Floorhump422]

First, you can't keep prices "artificially" low without some entity that enforces price ceilings,ie government. Prices below equilibrium point are enacted via laws usually and create shortages as demand exceeds supply.

I mean, I believe that's basic microecon shit they teach in high school.

This isn't what was happening in the bay. What happened is many providers and orgs were high volume. Also there is a large concentration of orgs in a relatively small area. Unlike socal where OC and LA might as well be 100 miles apart and where things are too stretched out, distance between San Mateo orgs and most SJ orgs is less 30 minute drive with no traffic. The techies in silicon Valley create sausage fests. And many orgs in sj are walking distance from some major companies buildings.

All of this created a situation where the prices were initially low (historical) , competition high and nearby, and volume high. And orgs were careful to raise prices because one large price jump was not met with approval.

But the gap wasn't all that big though. The difference between LA and bay was something like 40 on average in 2019, I believe.

Is charging less than you know you can (compared to markets with lower salaries and costs of living) not a form of price control? It doesn't sound absurd to me that most orgs would be able to maintain a similar level of business at the 2.8/3 price point. The 2.2 price point seems kind of arbitrary, as evidenced by the recent price increases done without basis in economic principles, so why can't 2.6 be the new 2.2?

 

[R0cketmanV]

Is charging less than you know you can (compared to markets with lower salaries and costs of living) not a form of price control? It doesn't sound absurd to me that most orgs would be able to maintain a similar level of business at the 2.8/3 price point. The 2.2 price point seems kind of arbitrary, as evidenced by the recent price increases done without basis in economic principles, so why can't 2.6 be the new 2.2?

Define "you know you can". I'm going to say the prices were at equilibrium point moreso than "artificially" regulated. The difference of ~40 with LA is accounted for everything I've said in my prior post imo.

Once again, a price ceiling below equilibrium point creates a shortage where demand exceeds supply. I don't think this was the case.

2.2 isn't necessarily arbitrary, it was 200 for a while then 20 was added on for inflation.

 

[partytrap]

It was 200 for a solid 10+ years here in the Bay Area…

 

[jpowellrulzz]

Supply is in backwardation and reason behind price hike. When supply glut builds up, be it this 2022 or 23, wake me if 300-400 sticker price sticks forever...I think NOT

 

[MexicanMike]

I always find it condescending when non Bay Area mongers come into the SF forum and try to rationalize why we should be paying more.

 

[jpowellrulzz]

I always find it condescending when non Bay Area mongers come into the SF forum and try to rationalize why we should be paying more.

Haha, exactly they should GTFO.

 

[SJ_Jav]

I always find it condescending when non Bay Area mongers come into the SF forum and try to rationalize why we should be paying more.

They jelly.

 

[Floorhump422]

I always find it condescending when non Bay Area mongers come into the SF forum and try to rationalize why we should be paying more.

Of course I'm jealous, hijue. I'm just curious if there's a reason(s) why the inverse is true (why should prices be lower). The Bay isn't a bubble. Prices are going up everywhere and the quality is stagnant.

 

[Floorhump422]

Define "you know you can". I'm going to say the prices were at equilibrium point moreso than "artificially" regulated. The difference of ~40 with LA is accounted for everything I've said in my prior post imo.

Once again, a price ceiling below equilibrium point creates a shortage where demand exceeds supply. I don't think this was the case.

2.2 isn't necessarily arbitrary, it was 200 for a while then 20 was added on for inflation.

"You know you can" means that because of the screening information that agencies have, they have an idea of the income mongers have. Coupled with the tips and multi-hour sessions girls have, an image begins to form of what is possible price-wise. Are agencies not testing your "point of equilibrium" right now? The guys on the forums are a vocal minority. As such, we don't know just how much people are willing to spend.

 

[R0cketmanV]

"You know you can" means that because of the screening information that agencies have, they have an idea of the income mongers have. Coupled with the tips and multi-hour sessions girls have, an image begins to form of what is possible price-wise. Are agencies not testing your "point of equilibrium" right now? The guys on the forums are a vocal minority. As such, we don't know just how much people are willing to spend.

I really don't think most orgs check mongers social media profiles and figure out their tax brackets, lol.


I'm not sure what exactly is going on right now and who's testing whom. I know the upcharge game changed the Cali prices all the way up.

I also know the supply hasn't changed much. My guess is that they are pushing towards higher prices and lesser demand. Instead of seeing 10 guys at 220 they instead see 7-8 at 300. The only thing that doesn't fit this narrative is supposedly all the girls being booked right now. My personal guess it's a "fresh outta jail" phenomenon with vaxxed up people, but it could be something else. Maybe it just seems busier when you have 7 appointments versus 10.

But if supply and quality doesn't change, I don't know how long these price hikes can last.

 

[jpowellrulzz]

What matters the most to the agencies and girls is how many money they can steadily make by the end of the day, end of the month and end of the year.

You can always find a girls on PD asking for 1000-2000/hr and I'm fairly sure they do have client base. But are those girls are jam packed 10-10 at the same price tag, I think not. Don't conflate making more sporadic $$$$/hr with making steady $$$/hr but come out ahead over longer period.

So what's the point of testing the so called "point of equilibrium", you can always find clients at any give price, there is always someone that you out pay you. Questions comes down to, are you be willing to gamble, make mistakes @ 200/hr, 5 times to find a unicorn vs.1000 on a single shot and never come back after a sour experience?

I think current uproar about price will continue because orgs have not only failed at deliver but have resorted to BS narratives like LA, NYC prices high Bay Are low, girls don't want to come to BA while recycling old worn-out talents. When the reality is there is shortage of fresh new talents.

 

[Jedik]

All of the above are part of the picture. But missing is the role a game-changing site brought to the Bay Area: Redbook! Consolidating forums, reviews and classified ad’s proved hugely popular w all involved parties and dramatically enlarged the mongering market in the Bay Area! Yes, the site was plagued by bad actors, fake reviews, s hills and trolls in the forums, and misleading/fake ad’s. But still a huge resource. Girls so inclined to go Indy could easily do so, resulting in org’s no longer able to control the business, basically driving out less desirable org elements! think there is still a huge opportunity to simply replicate what RB used to do! I spend little time here or any of the other sites that have come and gone as they offer little....

 

[Sschen]

All of the above are part of the picture. But missing is the role a game-changing site brought to the Bay Area: Redbook! Consolidating forums, reviews and classified ad’s proved hugely popular w all involved parties and dramatically enlarged the mongering market in the Bay Area! Yes, the site was plagued by bad actors, fake reviews, s hills and trolls in the forums, and misleading/fake ad’s. But still a huge resource. Girls so inclined to go Indy could easily do so, resulting in org’s no longer able to control the business, basically driving out less desirable org elements! think there is still a huge opportunity to simply replicate what RB used to do! I spend little time here or any of the other sites that have come and gone as they offer little....

Bingo! Red's mission was to provide price transparency for P4P. And, it made for low barrier of entry into the business, bypassing the unsavory elements. Used to meet up with soccer moms and shop assistants who wanted a few thrills and bucks.

 

[Hawaii]

Just my thoughts on a couple things, I would not say the prices were artificially low, Bay Area offered some things other areas didn’t that keep prices down.
girls have told me Bay Area clients are safer, less rough than other cities where they had more issues with drunk or coked up guys being rough or customers not paying, add this to the higher volume of clients and steady stream of regulars a girl can see.
now we have a significant price spike because simply no competition. right now there are like 4 Korgs, everyone is either under the same corporate umbrella or partnering together and coordinating and can control prices. there was significantly more orgs, girls and competition even just a 3 years ago. There were legit girls in their 20’s, lots of hot girls, not just the GILF and MILF that is 85% of whats available now. you had far more options and you could easily take your money to a different org Which kept prices in check.
for Whatever reason orgs disappeared and options are limited. it will be interesting if any new ones enter the market ones travel restrictions keep easing

 

[savantbecky]

All of the above are part of the picture. But missing is the role a game-changing site brought to the Bay Area: Redbook! Consolidating forums, reviews and classified ad’s proved hugely popular w all involved parties and dramatically enlarged the mongering market in the Bay Area! Yes, the site was plagued by bad actors, fake reviews, s hills and trolls in the forums, and misleading/fake ad’s. But still a huge resource. Girls so inclined to go Indy could easily do so, resulting in org’s no longer able to control the business, basically driving out less desirable org elements! think there is still a huge opportunity to simply replicate what RB used to do! I spend little time here or any of the other sites that have come and gone as they offer little....

Aren't you ignoring the general risk of running such a site? It has far more risk than simply having an account.