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Best orgs for beginners

TheSearchForKitty

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#1
So I’m new to the hobby. Tried PC twice with one good time and a second mediocre. I don’t think I’d go back a third time.

Want to try somewhere new this week, and maybe a couple more times but don’t envision like building up extensive references.

What is another k-orgs you would recommend for someone without additional references I could try next and have a good chance to get verified and have a menu of fun, reliable options now?

Bonus points if you could point to a girl with good service at your recommended org.
 

sexyloser

K-Girl Geek
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#2
Every now and then we get this question. You can get into any org without references if you screen. I don't understand what's this invented concept of "beginner org".

If your goal is to build up references, don't goto orgs that don't give out references like PC and AA.
 

bobcopper

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Which orgs do give out references?
fwiw, as a relative newcomer myself I get the “beginner” org sentiment. Want to partake and find a good experience but don’t want to be giving up pics of paystubs or work IDs. Even gov ID is a little much for someone brand new though I’ve done it now.
If it helps, I started with a crappy c org, moved to PC and then to BGC. Stuck with BGC for a while but am now looking at how to get references as PC and BGC don’t offer them.
 

johnsmithisnotgreat

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Which orgs do give out references?
fwiw, as a relative newcomer myself I get the “beginner” org sentiment. Want to partake and find a good experience but don’t want to be giving up pics of paystubs or work IDs. Even gov ID is a little much for someone brand new though I’ve done it now.
If it helps, I started with a crappy c org, moved to PC and then to BGC. Stuck with BGC for a while but am now looking at how to get references as PC and BGC don’t offer them.
Don’t forget once you are inside the apartment unit they have you on recording.
 

Slowmonkey56

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As a newbie, highly recommend LKS and CA. Those 2 are my absolute go-tos and I'm also pretty new (less than 3 months in the scene).

If they ask for reference, just say you're new and don't have any yet. They made it work for me.
Wait so if I say I am new, I don't have any, they will let me in? Ok, thanks, that sounds easy enough, hmmm
 

sexyloser

K-Girl Geek
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Which orgs do give out references?
fwiw, as a relative newcomer myself I get the “beginner” org sentiment. Want to partake and find a good experience but don’t want to be giving up pics of paystubs or work IDs. Even gov ID is a little much for someone brand new though I’ve done it now.
If it helps, I started with a crappy c org, moved to PC and then to BGC. Stuck with BGC for a while but am now looking at how to get references as PC and BGC don’t offer them.
While I kinda get what you're saying that's not really what distinguishes a "newbie", though. You don't become a vet by giving up your ID or go through screening, that is a matter of your privacy preference.

It would be much more effective to directly ask "what orgs don't require screening" if you're worried about screening. "Newbie" implies there's a path to advancement, when there isn't. You can book PC/AA all day everyday 24/7/365 and you'll never get allowed in any other K-Org because they don't get references and the other orgs still want you to screen.


Wait so if I say I am new, I don't have any, they will let me in? Ok, thanks, that sounds easy enough, hmmm
They will not. You'll be asked to screen. Just pick an org you're comfortable with screening. Its screening or reference, not both.
 

bobcopper

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#13
Don’t forget once you are inside the apartment unit they have you on recording.
Yes, agree all notions of anonymity are fictional and in my head given they have my name, age, location and picture. Don’t really need anything else to figure out where I work, live, etc. Yet, there is still a mental block I have with volunteering my work info. Did you give this up? And were you ever previously uncertain about it? Wondering how you convinced yourself or if LB did the thinking :)
 

johnsmithisnotgreat

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Yes, agree all notions of anonymity are fictional and in my head given they have my name, age, location and picture. Don’t really need anything else to figure out where I work, live, etc. Yet, there is still a mental block I have with volunteering my work info. Did you give this up? And were you ever previously uncertain about it? Wondering how you convinced yourself or if LB did the thinking :)
I’m in love you… You are one of the coolest monger in the universe!!!!!
 

sexyloser

K-Girl Geek
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#15
Yes, agree all notions of anonymity are fictional and in my head given they have my name, age, location and picture. Don’t really need anything else to figure out where I work, live, etc. Yet, there is still a mental block I have with volunteering my work info. Did you give this up? And were you ever previously uncertain about it? Wondering how you convinced yourself or if LB did the thinking :)
Most people in LSC were there grandfathered in before that requirement. Those who joined after mostly said LB did the thinking. LSC require it because they got fucked over by a psycho asshole abuser referral that took revenge by reporting their locations or something so that's why LSC no longer accepts referrals and personally screens your work info. It only takes one asshole to fuck things up for everyone.
 

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
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Yes, agree all notions of anonymity are fictional and in my head given they have my name, age, location and picture. Don’t really need anything else to figure out where I work, live, etc. Yet, there is still a mental block I have with volunteering my work info. Did you give this up? And were you ever previously uncertain about it? Wondering how you convinced yourself or if LB did the thinking :)
Yes, good awareness about mental block volunteering your work info, even though it doesn't make sense. The short answer is that fear works this way, because it's automatic avoidance emotional behavior that responds to dangerous risks even if highly unlikely. cause the thing you are afraid of. The logic that triggers fear is quick often wrong, not critical logic which is slow.

But the strong conflict about work or any id is this anonymous vs safety relationship flipped between monger and provider.. Mongers especially newbie mongers feel safer being anonymous. While providers are in fact much more unsafe with mongers who feel they are anonymous.

Mongers aren't that anonymous. Commonly there is a disproportionate fear in providing some key id, picture, dl, work id, etc. I now think that it's because they are taking significant risks with outing to SO, which they have blocked out, but once being asked for like your picture with todays date on piece of paper, it brings up all the unconscious previously blocked fears about id, outing risks. Intuitively a monger fears that his pic, or any new id will some how facilitate making the more serious risks come to pass, like outing to significant other, cause jeopardy with job over inappropriate sexual behavior, etc. It also I think has to do with feeling safer overall if you have control by saying no to even the smallest increment in risk. As to why, a different discussion.

Fear is not that rationale. It arises from any possible emotional association with danger even if a very low real chance. With most fears, telling someone there is no rational reason to be afraid doesn't work. The CN Tower in Toronto has a public accessible very strong glass floor that you can see 1,115 ft below the floor, and you can walk out on it. Even as an engineer, I had a hard time convincing myself that it was perfectly safe to walk on, and I'm not that afraid of heights.

Sex is very strong emotion associated with violent dominance. Invading armies would rape and pillage. A lot of guys intuitively feel sexual arousal overcomes reluctance; that is, "no" doesn't mean "no" if they go far enough with sexual advances. During rape, many woman stop objecting or fighting back for fear of violence, which the rapist incorrectly takes as consent. In fact, now days women are advised to never stop fighting when sexually assaulted since not only it might stop it, but it helps them feel less like a victim.

Consequently, providers are a lot more at risk from sex/violence crimes from anonymous mongers, because they know no one will be aware and especially with providers and POs who are reluctant to report it. But orgs, at a minimum want to be able to ban a misbehaving monger who provides a picture. But if he provides a work id, he will worry the PO will tell his employer. An implicit threat to employment is a strong disencentive not to misbehave.
 
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