For the Mongers without Brain Cells

[AutomaticSlim]

Why are they idiots? What’s the rules of this game? I think rule number 1 is to have the most fun with your money. And I think there is no rule number 2.

This is more label crap. What you call white Knight, is what I think of as treating these girls with dignity and respect, and taking an interest in their personal life. And if that means helping out sometimes, it’s part of being friends.

Just like I can be friends with my lawyer, or investment manager and play golf with them, I can still pay them for the work they do for me. Spa girl is no different.

So yes, I get lots of special treatment. Lots. You wouldn’t believe it. And yes I’ve done a lot for these girls. Translation help with banking, helping with immigration, helping them leave the business, loaning them money after the police stole everything. I even had a girl live at my house for 3 months while recovering from shoulder surgery.

I don’t think I am an idiot. I think I’m a guy who can call any of 15 or so girls, and she’ll drop what’s she is doing and service me.

But I’m not criticizing your way doing this. Everyone has their own technique.

I’d just say you sound jealous. Why do you care what other guys do?

"I’d just say you sound jealous. Why do you care what other guys do? "

- Not jealous. And certainly don't care what other guys do. I was simply pointing out behavior that I don't agree with within the context of this thread.

But you seem to care an awful lot about telling us all the things you've done. I would say you took this post quite personally, for some reason.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Of course reviews are our side of the story. But if a session does not go as expected we only hear one side of the story. And there is always another side which may not mesh 100% with the monger's tale. I'd rather not, but I can cite an example.

" I'd rather not, but I can cite an example"

- If you are trying to insinuate that I wrote a review with which you disagree, please do cite your example.

 

[Srhsrh]

"I’d just say you sound jealous. Why do you care what other guys do? "

- Not jealous. And certainly don't care what other guys do. I was simply pointing out behavior that I don't agree with within the context of this thread.

But you seem to care an awful lot about telling us all the things you've done. I would say you took this post quite personally, for some reason.

Nope, just trying to give you a few ideas on how to get more results when you monger.

When I think differently, I speak up. This is an important issue to me, because I see too many girls who just had an unpleasant experience with a customer who was a demanding dickhead to her. A girls attitude gets affected by everyone she sees during a day. I like happy girls. Happy girls give more enthusiastic head.

I really dislike the whole business of rigidly setting tips, ripping girls in reviews, and in general treating the girls like meat in the butcher shop. So I speak up. Aside from that you can do whatever you want. I don’t care and it won’t change what I do.

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Nope, just trying to give you a few ideas on how to get more results when you monger.

When I think differently, I speak up. This is an important issue to me, because I see too many girls who just had an unpleasant experience with a customer who was a demanding dickhead to her. A girls attitude gets affected by everyone she sees during a day. I like happy girls. Happy girls give more enthusiastic head.

I really dislike the whole business of rigidly setting tips, ripping girls in reviews, and in general treating the girls like meat in the butcher shop. So I speak up. Aside from that you can do whatever you want. I don’t care and it won’t change what I do.

I am fine with the results I get from P4P. They've been pretty damn good over the years. Not something I've ever complained about on this site or anywhere else.
Nor is it something I have ever asked anyone to help me with.

My results with non P4P are atrocious, but I stopped caring about that a very long time ago -- still will complain about it though -- have to do something for fun.
I've never asked for help in that realm either. In fact I almost never ask for anything...I'm an especially self-sufficient type of bastard.

Of course, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
And like you, when I have an idea on a topic that is brought up here, I will offer my opinion as well.
Nothing wrong with free speech.
It's one of the things that make America great.
Have a great Saturday.

 

[Srhsrh]

I am fine with the results I get from P4P. They've been pretty damn good over the years. Not something I've ever complained about on this site or anywhere else.
Nor is it something I have ever asked anyone to help me with.

My results with non P4P are atrocious, but I stopped caring about that a very long time ago -- still will complain about it though -- have to do something for fun.
I've never asked for help in that realm either. In fact I almost never ask for anything...I'm an especially self-sufficient type of bastard.

Of course, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.
And like you, when I have an idea on a topic that is brought up here, I will offer my opinion as well.
Nothing wrong with free speech.
It's one of the things that make America great.
Have a great Saturday.

Well I’m a little different. I like my results too. But I’m always looking for advice on improvement. I’ll listen to advice from anyone. That’s why I’m on this board, and participating.

As to civvies, I gave them up mostly too. I don’t pursue them, just sometimes date when they chase me. And there I apply the 3 date rule. By and large P4P is a better use of my money, and more importantly time.

 

[Koondog]

"I don’t pursue them, just sometimes date when they chase me."

Why would any civvie chase around some 60+ year old bald guy? You passing out gifts to younger girls at your local shopping mall or something?, lol

 

[AutomaticSlim]

Well I’m a little different. I like my results too. But I’m always looking for advice on improvement. I’ll listen to advice from anyone. That’s why I’m on this board, and participating.

As to civvies, I gave them up mostly too. I don’t pursue them, just sometimes date when they chase me. And there I apply the 3 date rule. By and large P4P is a better use of my money, and more importantly time.

I here you about the civvies.
Problem is, how does a middle aged guy get hot young college girls to chase him for free?
I suppose if I was willing to date women in my general age range that might (might) happen, but I think I'd probably drink liquid plumber instead...

 

[AutomaticSlim]

"I don’t pursue them, just sometimes date when they chase me."

Why would any civvie chase around some 60+ year old bald guy? You passing out gifts to younger girls at your local shopping mall or something?, lol

You and I..um....think alike...

 

[Uniquelyme]

Why are they idiots? What’s the rules of this game? I think rule number 1 is to have the most fun with your money. And I think there is no rule number 2.

This is more label crap. What you call white Knight, is what I think of as treating these girls with dignity and respect, and taking an interest in their personal life. And if that means helping out sometimes, it’s part of being friends.

Just like I can be friends with my lawyer, or investment manager and play golf with them, I can still pay them for the work they do for me. Spa girl is no different.

So yes, I get lots of special treatment. Lots. You wouldn’t believe it. And yes I’ve done a lot for these girls. Translation help with banking, helping with immigration, helping them leave the business, loaning them money after the police stole everything. I even had a girl live at my house for 3 months while recovering from shoulder surgery.

I don’t think I am an idiot. I think I’m a guy who can call any of 15 or so girls, and she’ll drop what’s she is doing and service me.

But I’m not criticizing your way doing this. Everyone has their own technique.

I’d just say you sound jealous. Why do you care what other guys do?

This is a long post. Seems a bit defensive. You can be friends with whomever you like. You can do whatever you want. However sometimes people will say that not you per se but that person is being an idiot for doing too much.

It may or may not apply to you. However the opening of this thread is a hobbyist running and telling a pro about a negative review of her. That's some sucker shit. Unless it's saying she has an std and she doesn't ofc or outing her info. That hobbyist should let it be.

Protecting a girl saying she doesn't do that when how the fuck do you know is another way of being a sucker. Ima leave the term "white knight" out of it for now.

 

[TGBeldin]

"I don’t pursue them, just sometimes date when they chase me."

Why would any civvie chase around some 60+ year old bald guy? You passing out gifts to younger girls at your local shopping mall or something?, lol

If by "gifts" you mean smiling, listening, taking time to talk with them--then I find that works wonders. Even though that is not usually my intent.

The night desk clerk at my hotel, who is typically bored and feels ignored. I waitress who has had several jerk customers who complain and leave a 25 cent tip. Amazing what just bringing them a late night Starbuck's, or leaving a short note and generous (not absurd) tip can do. Or asking to talk with the manager to give her some deserved praise instead of dumping on her. Again, I don't do it to pick up anyone. I too just want to have a little human conversation with someone other than a client when I am working until midnight six days straight. Be polite, treat them as good people, and yes, I have found myself "chased after" without trying. And when the lady knows what room I am in, she can be a pretty effective ambush hunter.

 

[Koondog]

There has to be more to it. The average person is probably very kind and talkative to hotel clerks and waitresses and it doesn't translate into the girls chasing the last guy who was nice to them, trying to find out his hotel room number. I don't doubt your words and experiences but to the average guy I think it sounds more like a Harlequin romance novel than real life.

 

[Waterboy]

" I'd rather not, but I can cite an example"

- If you are trying to insinuate that I wrote a review with which you disagree, please do cite your example.

No. Not you.

 

[Srhsrh]

You and I..um....think alike...

Never said anything about having 20 something’s chasing me. Not even interested. But I do wish for some 30 something’s.
I’m 61, single, have lived in same town for 35 years. I frequently have 40 something’s and up chase me, as a marriage objective, not a play one. Some times they are reasonably hot for their age, but lots of times it’s typical fat white suburban divorcees.

 

[Uniquelyme]

Never said anything about having 20 something’s chasing me. Not even interested. But I do wish for some 30 something’s.
I’m 61, single, have lived in same town for 35 years. I frequently have 40 something’s and up chase me, as a marriage objective, not a play one. Some times they are reasonably hot for their age, but lots of times it’s typical fat white suburban divorcees.

I believe it. I've been said 40+yr Olds are easy to fuckkkkk for free so seeing them as pros is virtually never for me.

 

[bronzeharbor]

NYAW keeps a keen eye on the review boards so I stagger my reviews from there lol
Not sure if other spots do this too

 

[Uniquelyme]

NYAW keeps a keen eye on the review boards so I stagger my reviews from there lol
Not sure if other spots do this too

Idgaf if they know who I am. I keep it 100 if I can't go somewhere cause of my honesty. Then it is what it is. Lears knows who I am IG knows who I am. PH knows who I am, As/PP knows who I am. I'd say a large majority of the places know who I am.

 

[Koondog]

I believe it. I've been said 40+yr Olds are easy to fuckkkkk for free so seeing them as pros is virtually never for me.

Where are you guys even running into all these girls?

I go to my job everyday (small company--no women), other than a food errand or whatever during the week I'm barely in contact with people. Gotta start hanging out with some of you studs that seem to have no shortage of access to willing women!

 

[Srhsrh]

This is a long post. Seems a bit defensive. You can be friends with whomever you like. You can do whatever you want. However sometimes people will say that not you per se but that person is being an idiot for doing too much.

It may or may not apply to you. However the opening of this thread is a hobbyist running and telling a pro about a negative review of her. That's some sucker shit. Unless it's saying she has an std and she doesn't ofc or outing her info. That hobbyist should let it be.

Protecting a girl saying she doesn't do that when how the fuck do you know is another way of being a sucker. Ima leave the term "white knight" out of it for now.

Yes, I remember thread start. I pointed out a couple things where I told girls about reviews. I think there are times when it’s appropriate. In my case it was a guy lying about the service he received on a website that police in my area have used to shut spas down. I warned her because I guessed police would be by, and I was right, as it turned out. In my area, most spas don’t normally give more than HJ, and a guy reporting he got a bj from a naked girl is significant. So I told her, and they watched carefully the next few weeks. The guy lied, I’m quite certain.
That’s not sucker to me. It’s in my interest to keep that girl here and in business. Don’t give a rats ass about the guy who lied.

 

[TGBeldin]

There has to be more to it. The average person is probably very kind and talkative to hotel clerks and waitresses and it doesn't translate into the girls chasing the last guy who was nice to them, trying to find out his hotel room number. I don't doubt your words and experiences but to the average guy I think it sounds more like a Harlequin romance novel than real life.

Of course it doesn't work with every one, and it typically takes multiple interactions. But then I basicly live on the road. I get to know these workers, and they recognize me. Some just chat and you know it's not going anywhere, but some start responding to a little flatter. They talk longer. They go in the back and bring me a fresh cup of coffee one time, and I listen to how hard it is to be in school during the day and work the night shift. I bring her a fancy coffee, or a flowering plant the next time. I remember her name when i am back there two weeks later. When she's not there one night, i comment the next time and say i missed our evening chat. Little things. They grow until some seed crystal sets it off.

One time it was a waitress whose BF was cheating on her, and when she found out she wanted a revenge fuck.

One time it was helping the night clerk with her calculus course for a couple weeks, and after she passed the class we "celebrated" the next time I stayed there.

Sometimes it's just they know you are a VIP at the Ritz Carlton in DC or one of the Kimptons in NYC. They assume if they treat you well, it will be worthwhile for them. One desk clerk I had talked with a number of times at a Kimpton (not in NY) was observant enough to notice that I had brought women back to my room twice that week. The next night, about 30 minutes after I got in--alone--called up to my room to check on me, and then drop a very unsubtle hint that if I was still awake at 2 AM she would be off duty and would be very willing to keep me company.

Act polite, attentive to what they care about, be generous with little things, check your ego and let her take the lead, and it isn't that hard. I still only have success about one in 10 or 20, but I'll take that.

 

[Freddy]

What is the name or new term used to describe a guy that reveals reviews to a provider in hopes to get what another guy gets or to discredit another monger?

For example, a standard r&t provider that will do fs with a couple good customers, but not with all, this other guy that visits her who has no game, only gets her basic service, so he shows her reviews in an attempt to get more.