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Going in BBFS not so fast

Uniquelyme

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Just a general statement wasn't directed at you.

But would you go raw on a HIV + provider?

Last time I asked this in the private section everyone ducked it as expected.
Nah i wouldn't. Even though chances are i still wouldn't get it. Especially if i was on prep. To me why would i when there are thousands of pros who dont have it.
 

Sidneyfalco

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Nicole doshi used to offer this back in the day while barely checking testing. Now she does but how the heck did she not catch anything permanent?
Who says she hasn’t? We’re not her doctor…. And remember the Mr Marcus porn scandal of a few years back (where he somehow was submitting fake test results to the porn producers) ?
 

Sidneyfalco

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That was me with the Len Bias story. It had a huge effect on me at the time. I’ve never done cocaine and at this point have no interest, but I used to have near panic attacks when my friends did it and those frenzy states started. Are they about to die? Is it safe to leave them alone and go home? Then slowly the realization arose that I’ve been manipulated by the media and government again.

Another example is this old story about how every provider has been trafficked and has been held against their will. I started to understand what a lie that was 15 years ago when I got close to providers on a personal level. I’ve even witnessed my friends get arrested, and had the police lie, and media amplified stories about how they were liberated.

I don’t really know how many providers have STDs. But I do believe the numbers of STDs in the USA are inflated by street walkers and other low life’s that get the diseases repeatedly multiple times a year and pass them back and forth.
And how many “regular “ guys are banging these cheats streetwalkers raw, and then save up some extra cash for the more expensive hos that you assume are disease free because they change a higher rate? And how many of those more expensive Trollops have junkie or low life boyfriends on the side? Or are sports or music groupies who give it up raw to anyone in their chosen demographic

My philosophy: Trust NOBODY .And don’t make Assumptions….It’s safer that way
 

Uniquelyme

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And how many “regular “ guys are banging these cheats streetwalkers raw, and then save up some extra cash for the more expensive hos that you assume are disease free because they change a higher rate? And how many of those more expensive Trollops have junkie or low life boyfriends on the side? Or are sports or music groupies who give it up raw to anyone in their chosen demographic

My philosophy: Trust NOBODY .And don’t make Assumptions….It’s safer that way
You are making assumptions right now. We all make assumptions. It's crazy to have people with 0- low reviews telling others how to move in this hobby!!
 

markkennedy

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Oh come one... are you discounting the studies of top medical facilities on the basis that they are doing the study on the horrible and the wrethed? You reference being a natural scientist. Then you understand that every study must incorporate a selection of people to enter into the placebo and drug numerics. In order to secure legitinacy in test results of this nature they take the rich, the poor, the sick,the hungry, the middle class in equal gender. They do not warp the results by saturation of the unworthy to curve the end result. It is scientific , not natural science, rather research based with selection parameters. If you do not want to accept the tests as legitimate, don't . That doesn't make it go away, it just encapsulates you in a false sense of security.
No am no discounting. But when study says X is Y, well I look at the sample pool and methodology, because am no a monkey that just reads headline and make action on this headline. If say 16% of the people commit 50% of the violent crimes, is crime up? Am I more or less likely to be either a victim of crime or a committer of violent crime? If someone claims for example, that "people are being massacred in the streets by police" and then the data says this is no true, then the writer of the headline is a liar today and always. Cannot have position of supposed authority and lie and then ever expect anyone to believe. I mean, I guess monkeys will believe, but monkeys believed for a quarter million years that a magic man carried a golden disc across the sky every day. So, yea.

During COVID time, "cases are up" was the headline and the entire story, people with authority to make me lock the doors of my plant and send men and women home without job made decisions based on this. But it turned out that there was more to "cases are up", turned out immunocompromised made risk many times higher, obese, smoking, and so on, to the point that a huge majority of us looked at each other like ok but why am I locked out of my business? Again, burying useful data inside other data to achieve an agenda or mitigate blame for failure to act in correct way.

Say among 100k persons studied, 10% are the people I referenced, people who live in motel and open legs for everyone bareback and are also IV drug users and maybe they go to the jail often too, don't eat right, smoke, and so on. This is 10k persons. The rest are 90k persons, everyone else, of which I am member of this set. If each set has 500 cases, then total cases are 1% of the studied set. Now say ten years later we study, but now there are 15% cityfolk, and their cases went up 10x, so now 5000 cases. But for everyone else, there are 5% fewer cases. Total cases are now 5.5% of studied set, a 450% increase!!!!!!!!!!!!. I can publish headline, CASES ARE UP, RUN FOR THE FUCKING HILLS YOU DIRTY SERFS! But I am in the subset whose cases actually went down in both fraction and actual count. My alarm bells don't go off for this.

When I see study is signed by some dickhead who recently said COVID will kill us all if we don't lock ourselves in our homes, or any of the other horseshittery we have heard from our supposed betters, I see study with no subset data and I see insignia of organization that I do not believe, I might go bareback tonight just because.

Can massage study any way one likes, either positive or negative, in belief or no belief, but I don't see a breakdown and I believe my own lying eyes before I believe "them". For every study that might be true, same person is writing the Len Bias headline. In my own lying eyes, I personally have seven best pals we all monger and we all converse about mongering, all have been mongering between one and five decades, and we all are disease free. Yes, the article claims that the disease has changed and is now resistant, so can discount those five decades of experience, but in the 80s and 90s you were supposedly going to die if you buttfucked a dude bareback and your heart would explode if you did a line and baby Jesus was going to send a bolt of lightning or a flodd if you didn't go to the church once a week. Just not buying it. Remember ten years ago the earth was going to end in ten years? They had a hundred studies and all kinds of scientists screaming this and here we are ten years no ended earth. I just landed here in San Fran from the Singapore, and I can assure you I could see continents and ocean and sky and it was all there.

Last, as others mentioned, if there is money in curing or treating resistant STD, then someone will do it, and it will happen. However, there is often the same amount of money in just managing the diseases, as with current HIV drugs, so companies will say ok I can cure a guy for 10k, or I can make him feel better for 2k a month every month forever. I don't know or care what agenda is for people who publish studies with obfuscated data, or agenda for people who present these studies in television or internet also without any underlying data, but can imagine the agenda is no to help us to make correct choices.

All that said, be safe people, BBFS is for sure not the safest activity, but despite what political forces have their little puppets say with a hand stuck up their asses to make their mouths move, you aren't going to die instantly.
 

Howitzer64

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No am no discounting. But when study says X is Y, well I look at the sample pool and methodology, because am no a monkey that just reads headline and make action on this headline. If say 16% of the people commit 50% of the violent crimes, is crime up? Am I more or less likely to be either a victim of crime or a committer of violent crime? If someone claims for example, that "people are being massacred in the streets by police" and then the data says this is no true, then the writer of the headline is a liar today and always. Cannot have position of supposed authority and lie and then ever expect anyone to believe. I mean, I guess monkeys will believe, but monkeys believed for a quarter million years that a magic man carried a golden disc across the sky every day. So, yea.

During COVID time, "cases are up" was the headline and the entire story, people with authority to make me lock the doors of my plant and send men and women home without job made decisions based on this. But it turned out that there was more to "cases are up", turned out immunocompromised made risk many times higher, obese, smoking, and so on, to the point that a huge majority of us looked at each other like ok but why am I locked out of my business? Again, burying useful data inside other data to achieve an agenda or mitigate blame for failure to act in correct way.

Say among 100k persons studied, 10% are the people I referenced, people who live in motel and open legs for everyone bareback and are also IV drug users and maybe they go to the jail often too, don't eat right, smoke, and so on. This is 10k persons. The rest are 90k persons, everyone else, of which I am member of this set. If each set has 500 cases, then total cases are 1% of the studied set. Now say ten years later we study, but now there are 15% cityfolk, and their cases went up 10x, so now 5000 cases. But for everyone else, there are 5% fewer cases. Total cases are now 5.5% of studied set, a 450% increase!!!!!!!!!!!!. I can publish headline, CASES ARE UP, RUN FOR THE FUCKING HILLS YOU DIRTY SERFS! But I am in the subset whose cases actually went down in both fraction and actual count. My alarm bells don't go off for this.

When I see study is signed by some dickhead who recently said COVID will kill us all if we don't lock ourselves in our homes, or any of the other horseshittery we have heard from our supposed betters, I see study with no subset data and I see insignia of organization that I do not believe, I might go bareback tonight just because.

Can massage study any way one likes, either positive or negative, in belief or no belief, but I don't see a breakdown and I believe my own lying eyes before I believe "them". For every study that might be true, same person is writing the Len Bias headline. In my own lying eyes, I personally have seven best pals we all monger and we all converse about mongering, all have been mongering between one and five decades, and we all are disease free. Yes, the article claims that the disease has changed and is now resistant, so can discount those five decades of experience, but in the 80s and 90s you were supposedly going to die if you buttfucked a dude bareback and your heart would explode if you did a line and baby Jesus was going to send a bolt of lightning or a flodd if you didn't go to the church once a week. Just not buying it. Remember ten years ago the earth was going to end in ten years? They had a hundred studies and all kinds of scientists screaming this and here we are ten years no ended earth. I just landed here in San Fran from the Singapore, and I can assure you I could see continents and ocean and sky and it was all there.

Last, as others mentioned, if there is money in curing or treating resistant STD, then someone will do it, and it will happen. However, there is often the same amount of money in just managing the diseases, as with current HIV drugs, so companies will say ok I can cure a guy for 10k, or I can make him feel better for 2k a month every month forever. I don't know or care what agenda is for people who publish studies with obfuscated data, or agenda for people who present these studies in television or internet also without any underlying data, but can imagine the agenda is no to help us to make correct choices.

All that said, be safe people, BBFS is for sure not the safest activity, but despite what political forces have their little puppets say with a hand stuck up their asses to make their mouths move, you aren't going to die instantly.
Buddy you’re all over the place - hard to follow your train of thought
 

AutomaticSlim

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You are making assumptions right now. We all make assumptions. It's crazy to have people with 0- low reviews telling others how to move in this hobby!!
Only speaking for myself, I don't tell anyone how to "monger" (other than to avoid Mott St & fast houses :cool:), but I will say this.
Those "alternate lifestyle" threads here from a couple of months ago was...kinda frightening...
 

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Nah i wouldn't. Even though chances are i still wouldn't get it. Especially if i was on prep. To me why would i when there are thousands of pros who dont have it.
Exactly you just proved my point LOL.

Especially if they're not showing their results and dont know if they're + on retroviral meds to become negative.

Again to each their own.i just think a lot of guys just looking at what ifs and morals(I trust this woman) that people in this hobby ain't grimey especially when money is involved.

All the porn stars I've seen showed me their results. I trust BBFS porno stars that get tested 2-4 times a week more than an open AMP provider. The porn community is strict with testing.

Again, to each his own. I'm out!
 

Black_Noir

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Only speaking for myself, I don't tell anyone how to "monger" (other than to avoid Mott St & fast houses :cool:), but I will say this.
Those "alternate lifestyle" threads here from a couple of months ago was...kinda frightening...
Yup! There's def switch hitters in here on the low and you dont know who these chicks are letting them smash raw for a mere $100.

From a 10am appointment in the West Village BBFS with Big Bertha to a 8pm BBFS with you favorite AMP provider. Nothing is far fetched about any of this.

Chicks will tell dudes the sky is green and they will run with it. Both my provider friends (I'm closer with one than the other) lie to clients. I read reviews or comments I shrug and I keep it moving to the next review.
 

Uniquelyme

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Exactly you just proved my point LOL.

Especially if they're not showing their results and dont know if they're + on retroviral meds to become negative.

Again to each their own.i just think a lot of guys just looking at what ifs and morals(I trust this woman) that people in this hobby ain't grimey especially when money is involved.

All the porn stars I've seen showed me their results. I trust BBFS porno stars that get tested 2-4 times a week more than an open AMP provider. The porn community is strict with testing.

Again, to each his own. I'm out!
I jsut showed you stats on how rare it is for a heterosexual Man to contract HIV from a HIV positive Woman having bbfs. It's less than 0.05% so this is where the fear mongering comes in
 

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Only speaking for myself, I don't tell anyone how to "monger" (other than to avoid Mott St & fast houses :cool:), but I will say this.
Those "alternate lifestyle" threads here from a couple of months ago was...kinda frightening...
You've told me to stop wasting my time on 35-45 year old women countless times and move to the 20's
 

Sidneyfalco

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You are making assumptions right now. We all make assumptions. It's crazy to have people with 0- low reviews telling others how to move in this hobby!!
I haven’t made any assumptions (I simply said my philosophy is to TRUST NOBODY) and I certainly haven’t told anyone how to live their lives. Last I realized, this is a forum pretty much devoted to people voicing their opinions, and I gave mine. A lot of people take a different perspective as an affront to theirs

As I basically said several times in this and other threads: You do you….
 

Sidneyfalco

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Yup! There's def switch hitters in here on the low and you dont know who these chicks are letting them smash raw for a mere $100.

From a 10am appointment in the West Village BBFS with Big Bertha to a 8pm BBFS with you favorite AMP provider. Nothing is far fetched about any of this.

Chicks will tell dudes the sky is green and they will run with it. Both my provider friends (I'm closer with one than the other) lie to clients. I read reviews or comments I shrug and I keep it moving to the next review.
It does amaze me how gullible some of these guys are- “She’s my favorite, there can’t be any issues with her! I love her! She’s an infallible goddess! “

At the end of the day, there is no real difference between any of these ladies, except for what price guys are willing to fork over
 

DeuceJiggalow

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Maybe PrEP pills but shes currently in porn with weekly testing.

Regular blood test don't tell if a person is taking PrEP pills or if a HIV+ person is taking retroviral meds to stay undetectable. You will need special special testing for that. Not even porn testing site will check for that, I've used 4 times and was tested for Mgen. Mgen is the new thing you need to be tested for that Porn stars are asking for now.

Again, you dont know who is positive. My mother used to work for a STD clinic and she would see patients in the streets who are positive on meds looking like regular people, not junkies. I wouldn't doubt it the popular BB queens are in the same situation. But dudes in here thinking catching it is a myth or not possible in here lol.

Cant take what people tell you at face value especially if they're allowing hundreds of untested strangers to dump bare seed inside them for a mere flimsy $100. Anything where $ is related including this hobby, you can't trust people. I've seen friendships end because of $ related issues.
True. She could be in this biz to fund her antiretroviral meds perhaps. A vicious cycle. You speak the truth my friend.
 

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Lol...they've been saying that since the 80s.
They will never produce a cure for that or ANY OTHER chronic condition because they make too much money selling the suppressants.
They've been on the "cusp" of a cancer cure since the 50s.

Scientists are often too optimistic and sensationalize things to attract attention. Attention= more funding for research.

But treatment vs vaccine is false in regards to profitability.

There is nothing more a pharma ceo would like than to have the exclusive formula and patents to cure a disease. Every single human being is a potential source of revenue and you get to sign multi billion dollar contracts with governments for access to the cure.

An herpes or hiv vaccine is gonna generate trillions in revenue, easily.
 

Sidneyfalco

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You are making assumptions right now. We all make assumptions. It's crazy to have people with 0- low reviews telling others how to move in this hobby!!
And By the way- Zero reviews doesn’t mean Zero experience. I choose not to write reviews for several reasons
But as I mentioned in another post, I have dabbled in this world since Jimmy Carter was President. That might have been before you were even born for all I know
 

Howitzer64

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That’s because there is no blood test to test for HPV
True but in women their pap smear will come up hot at which point a doctor will start looking inside . In men you will have a cauliflower shaped tag like wart growing out of your dick shaft that keeps getting bigger . You will need to get it frozen off and biopsied to see if it is one of the 13 strains that can cause cervical cancer in women . If it does you must wear a condom forever . Although there is a shot in under 45 year old men and women - it only works before you contract it. Afterwards there is no cure and you can pass it to someone forever.
 
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