How much you spend monthly?

[haaretz]

Actually, I've been thinking of cutting my costs by trying the civvie market, sort of like a sugar babies thing, without using that dreaded website. For example, there's a cute, but not a knockout, waitress where I occasionally have breakfast or lunch. Pretty friendly (as they all are--gotta make those tips), that every now and then talks about how money can be tight near the end of the month. I've been thinking take her a couple of times to a inexpensive joint where someone is waiting on her, have a drink or two, and eventually get her back to my place for the deed. Unbeknownst to her, I slip $80-$100 in her purse. If nothing is said the next time I see her, then the relationship is understood (hey, $80-$100 a week will take care of a couple of bills, i.e., the mobile phone bill and the electric bill. That would lower my monthly AMP costs.

Good idea, yes?

If it's about money then I don't know if it would be worth it. She's a civvie, not a sex worker.
Consider the effort expended, which is a major factor, time costing money and all that. At least with SA the gals know what we want.

 

[dbiz2]

If it's about money then I don't know if it would be worth it. She's a civvie, not a sex worker.
Consider the effort expended, which is a major factor, time costing money and all that. At least with SA the gals know what we want.

 

[dbiz2]

I hear you, and you're probably right. But I used the SA site for a month and pretty much consider that literally all the people on their are already pros. I mean, a couple of inexpensive lunches or dinners (the bill for both of us around $70-$80), and give it a month effort (I don't have a lot of free time with working). You think she would question my intentions leaving the money in her purse and me saying, "I know money is tight, just helping you out" and leaving it at that?

 

[Zzzz]

I hear you, and you're probably right. But I used the SA site for a month and pretty much consider that literally all the people on their are already pros. I mean, a couple of inexpensive lunches or dinners (the bill for both of us around $70-$80), and give it a month effort (I don't have a lot of free time with working). You think she would question my intentions leaving the money in her purse and me saying, "I know money is tight, just helping you out" and leaving it at that?

Actually your approach could be perceived as insulting to her. You have sex with her and then pay her, if she has no intention of taking on the role of a prostitute, then it would definitely be insulting to her.

It sounds like you want to help. Take her out on a few dates and don't associate sex with money. Agree to pay her bills if that's what she needs, but don't directly tie money to sex, at least not initially.

 

[Koujiao]

I had an ATF (who was quite possibly the best sex I ever had) offer to be "exclusive" for $10K a month. She is the only girl I met who I would even consider such an arrangement with. Compared to these others that sounds like a bargain; but as things currently stand, I would still pass. It's just too indulgent and I am too busy. Overall, I'm fine with 1-2 hour sex twice a week and then maybe 1-2 overnights a month. But I could do that for a lot less than $10K a month. The other thing is that I am married, so could not host her at home. On top of the $10K, I'd have to provide room & board in the manner to which she is accustomed. So maybe more like $12.5K a month.

The last thing is that the "exclusive" offer is a question mark too. If you are at work or on a biz trip, you really have no idea what she is doing (unless your house is wired for surveillance). Would not put it past these girls to try to squeeze in some extra income on the sly.

The only way it might (might) be worth it is if I was retired and had the time to be with her 24/7. Then maybe 1-2 months (by then, I might be bored with her). But I'd have to be in my mid-60s with no wife, fewer obligations, and a bigger nest egg. Then it might be worth it because my best guess is that I won't be able to perform after 75 or so. At the end of the day, you can't take it all with you.

Getting into it would be easy, getting out might not be as cordial. Expenses will escalate like a slow boil.

 

[haaretz]

I hear you, and you're probably right. But I used the SA site for a month and pretty much consider that literally all the people on their are already pros. I mean, a couple of inexpensive lunches or dinners (the bill for both of us around $70-$80), and give it a month effort (I don't have a lot of free time with working). You think she would question my intentions leaving the money in her purse and me saying, "I know money is tight, just helping you out" and leaving it at that?

A pro understands money, is not insulted or hurt by such a transaction. Treat a civvie like a pro and you might lose a friend, consider her for the long term.
A new boyfriend who is generous and supportive is another thing. Good luck.

 

[Spa1123]

Actually, I've been thinking of cutting my costs by trying the civvie market, sort of like a sugar babies thing, without using that dreaded website. For example, there's a cute, but not a knockout, waitress where I occasionally have breakfast or lunch. Pretty friendly (as they all are--gotta make those tips), that every now and then talks about how money can be tight near the end of the month. I've been thinking take her a couple of times to a inexpensive joint where someone is waiting on her, have a drink or two, and eventually get her back to my place for the deed. Unbeknownst to her, I slip $80-$100 in her purse. If nothing is said the next time I see her, then the relationship is understood (hey, $80-$100 a week will take care of a couple of bills, i.e., the mobile phone bill and the electric bill. That would lower my monthly AMP costs.

Good idea, yes?

No, I don't think it's a good idea. She's a waitress, not a hooker. If you've been successful in getting her to your house for sex, it's awkward at best to then offer her some money, even secretly.

But how about trying it this way: After you have sex, tell her you love massage and would gladly pay $60/hr if she wanted to give it a try. If you can time it soon after she's made a "money can be tight..." comment, all the better. Alternatively, you could take that a step further and not wait for the dinner/drink/sex night. When she says, "money is tight" at her restaurant, tell her then that you regularly pay $60/hr for massage, and if she wanted to give it a try...

I wish I'd thought of this myself a couple of years ago. There was a great looking woman working at the check-in desk of a small motel I was staying at for one night/week for a few months. Of course I chatted her up a little, and one time she mentioned how she wasn't getting enough hours in, and it was tough making it as a single mom. Thinking about it later that night, I thought I should have made her the "massage me" offer, and she could have come to my room after her shift ended. For someone making maybe $10-$12/hour, it would have been pretty tempting. I was definitely going to ask her the following week when I stayed there again, but she disappeared.

A few decades ago I was staying in an Extended Stay type place for 3 months while working out of town. The cleaning woman was a beautiful girl in her 20's. I was too nervous to try this "massage me" thing with her, but I did ask if she knew anyone who'd do massage for $15/hr. (probably $30/hr in today's money.) She said she'd give it a try herself. I had 4-5 massages from her, but I never had the nerve to try to bump up the service! (yeah, what a dumb ass!)

 

[dbiz2]

No, I don't think it's a good idea. She's a waitress, not a hooker. If you've been successful in getting her to your house for sex, it's awkward at best to then offer her some money, even secretly.

But how about trying it this way: After you have sex, tell her you love massage and would gladly pay $60/hr if she wanted to give it a try. If you can time it soon after she's made a "money can be tight..." comment, all the better. Alternatively, you could take that a step further and not wait for the dinner/drink/sex night. When she says, "money is tight" at her restaurant, tell her then that you regularly pay $60/hr for massage, and if she wanted to give it a try...

I wish I'd thought of this myself a couple of years ago. There was a great looking woman working at the check-in desk of a small motel I was staying at for one night/week for a few months. Of course I chatted her up a little, and one time she mentioned how she wasn't getting enough hours in, and it was tough making it as a single mom. Thinking about it later that night, I thought I should have made her the "massage me" offer, and she could have come to my room after her shift ended. For someone making maybe $10-$12/hour, it would have been pretty tempting. I was definitely going to ask her the following week when I stayed there again, but she disappeared.

A few decades ago I was staying in an Extended Stay type place for 3 months while working out of town. The cleaning woman was a beautiful girl in her 20's. I was too nervous to try this "massage me" thing with her, but I did ask if she knew anyone who'd do massage for $15/hr. (probably $30/hr in today's money.) She said she'd give it a try herself. I had 4-5 massages from her, but I never had the nerve to try to bump up the service! (yeah, what a dumb ass!)

Yeah, you and Haaretz are probably right. I kinda done this before under the FWB moniker, i.e., we were friends, go out occasionally, you can see others, so can I, and play it by ear. I gave several women under then arrangement cash for "unexpected expenses," i.e., no more than $200 cash, probably 2-3 times over the arrangement period, and both went the effort to pay it back. I declined telling its okay and knowing they were struggling anyway (not a fool for the pay the rent shit or car note; $200 wasn't going to kill me, so I didn't care). The only problem with these is eventually they wanted to be more than FWB and it gets messy.

I took one FWB with me to Toronto. Yeah, could've gotten a hot escort for the weekend at $3K-$4K, but didn't want to bother, and the chick I took was aleady "broken in." she knew what I wanted, did what I wanted (chick was a great fuck) and we had decent and intelligent conversation. Came back from the weekend trip. then BAM!! Wanted to get into an exclusive arrangement (after one year in the FWB arrangement). I had to end the relationship. I gambling if I roll the dice with a younger chick (around 25), its no big deal with them. She looks like the different type: pierce nose, nice tats (nothing extreme), and a serious fuck me ass.

After you guys responses, maybe I just leave it alone (maybe).

Peace

 

[VJLUTZ]

.so although 100k might sound like a lot for them to be pulling in, when you add up the expenses, the reality may be a bit less extravagant.

On one hand, they do buy $200 bottles of perfume at Macys and $3K-$5K LV bags. They may also send 50-75% of their $$ back home. On the other hand, they pay almost no taxes and have minimal expenses for room and board. They eat noodles & often share a crappy apartment in Flushing with 2-3 other girls. Beyond their apartment, their biggest fixed expense is probably their smartphone service.

Guessing they probably have a lot more $$ left at the end of the month than @hgae931 (aka, Mr. $200K a year).