mongering in Tokyo... Id like some feedback/support on my fuck-up

[winternights]

I posted one of these before... after a (very) bad session in nyc (or nearby)....

I got helpful feedback.. so trying again.

ADVICE PLEASE:
I have been using an agency in Tokyo, the first girl I tried I clicked with, so I just have seen her a few times.

The other day, my airbnb situation had a 1 day missing laps, aka I didnt have a place to stay, so I thought Id go to shinjuku, chill-up in a (cheap) 24hr rest place they have available there, and maybe get a girl and stay at a love hotel for a few hours.

I spent a few hours in a sauna, then chilled at the rest area... by the time I got around to scheduled the girl, I set it up for 2am... a bit early, but not abnormal for shinjuku.

I met the girl who had a facemask on etc... and went to a nearby lovehotel.
So far everything is fine.
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We get to the room, she keeps her facemask on for a bit too long.. she finally takes it off, less good looking than I hoped for but shes fine.
then... it quickly goes south. very quickly, and this is before I pay her btw.

She immidiately turns the tv on. I dont like tv noise, and her just randomly setting things up like this is a bit jarring.

then shes asking if we want to fill the barthtub, and various things, while mentioning I need to pay,,, I walk to the bathroom to check out the tub and she tells me to stop, and come back...
so, just get the picture... somethings going on... shes taken her mask off now, shes looking very stressed out, and doing these things all at once... telling me what to do, messing with the tv, looking VERY stressed

so I tell her to calm down. My 'plan' was... I will let her know she can relax... "because"... in my mind, I wanted to have a nice relaxing time and no reason for her to be stressed... that was in my mind.... I stupidly thought, that it will be fine.

she snaps back that I need to calm down. and after a bit I get her to turn the tv off... and she tells me my face looks angry, she also asked if I was drunk... and so I think... what do I do?
I can cancel the session... or maybe if I pay, she will calm down... and I can let her tale control and just do it her way... so thats what I gamble on.... after all her pushy accusations I feel Im on the defense.

I text the agency and say things are a bit weird and they say 'tell us how it goes'

I pay. (about $400)...
she says she will prepare the tub. and walks into the bath area.

I lay on tbe bed... just hoping this will end up ok.

We shower together, no touching.
we get in the tub, no romance, no touching. any attempt at touching she looks very stressed out.
we get out and go into the bedroom... I forget exactly what happens but no touching.

finally she sits up and says, condom blow job something something, or uncovered something something extra.

Due to this not being remotely sensual or sexual I say no blowjob. Please relax... and I think I say... I can give you a massage.
Again, Im thinking I can get her to see, I want a mutually relaxing time.

I give her a massage, she does relax, and for a brief moment, as Im giving her a massage I can sense shes not in panic mode.

I try to kiss her ass... her hands flick me away.
I turn her over and try to move down to lick her pussy.
she wont open her legs, so I can lick just the top edge... for like 5 min or less...
then I try to lick her breasts, shes saying ok thats fine but gently.

So agian, I can see from my breast sucking, she relaxes and breathes deeply, but multiple times she pushes me away saying its too hard (I am not debating her opinion for how she feels but just noting, I know how to properly suck on a womans breasts)

see where this is going?

So Im still trying... she says, you're working too hard, lay down.

So I realize Im not getting anywhere.. so I lay down. She asks what I want. I am still trying to get her to relax, so I say, if we can lay down next to each other, kiss, hug, etc.
She says ok, honestly she looks a bit relieved, but we dont do anything regardless. ...

this apparently is close to 90min (my order amount of time.) her alarm goes off and she says 15min left "we have to hurry up" (hurry up for what?)

I honeslty hate when women tell me to hurry up so I get up and get dressed... she see me doing this and says, she wants to stay in the room and brush her teeth, maybe I can leave now and she will leave later... basically she told me to leave. So I leave.

I text the agency and say I dont want to get the girl in trouble but it was a bad sessions.

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the next day I wake up and I realize I was totally fucked in that session and Im a fucking idiot.... I hate myself and Im furious at the woman (20 yo girl) and after texting with the agency a bit Im furious with them as well...

the next 2 days.... I am livid... I text the agency a bit... they keep it professional and only reply, very basic responses... offering a $50 discount next time.

Now I finally am relaxing enough to get out of being livid... still feeling very angry... I can finally understand this woman is probably very damaged, and I ended up dealing with her negative energy. Clearly I should have canceled the moment she told me to calm down... but hindsight is 20/20.

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I dont consider myself a chump but, I do veer to the side of wanting and prioritizing a optimal emotional experience. I usually have good sessions. A decent amount of times the woman see im open to a deeper experience and open themselves up to me... at least, as far as im concerned, Im getting the experience I want,... and it can turn into a longer term friendship, and again at this point in my life, I enjoy that... so that was the motivation behind... being too lacks with just canceling, I thought I could fix it. Also, Im not sure how to take control in the right way when this happens. this was my rented room, this was my space, I could have told her to leave, BEFORE i paid definitely, or ended the session anytime after, and just realized the situation and told her to leave...

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I am still very angry but calming down now, more than 2 days later... I need advice please... I cant have these types of things happen to me. I should be smart enough to avoid this.
She's 20 years old... a fucking idiot... and she fucked my last few days up. and totally ran a train on me that night. ultimately I understand she had a huge mental issue etc... but that is besides the point. She fucked me, and I let her... and then spent the next few days.... recovering from my anger.
I still like 50% hate myself honestly... and hate everyone ... its so immature... I know... but it just a visceral feeling.

(Id like to go back to the agency, get a girl... and just... use her as much as possible ... showing her whos boss, every single minute. humiliating her. Im assuming I wont do that, but Im sharing my feelings on how Im dealing with this)

 

[NycHentaiguy]

Are you doing delivery health?
you’re kinda vague I literally just came back a month ago whats agency you using?
you speak Japanese?
Are you full gaijin? (Non Asian)
If you are, Biggest question honestly was did you check with the staff and confirm she was okay with servicing you? But it sounds like to me she was a newbie? And just wasn’t into it? 400 it sounds like you paid for fs but I’m not sure with the info you provided

 

[이 회장님]

Mongering in both Tokyo and Seoul is a challenge for non-locals. Even if you are fluent in their native language, they will give you the older and less attractive lady and you will pay the non-local fee. Your best bet is to go with a local friend.

 

[markkennedy]

Mongering in both Tokyo and Seoul is a challenge for non-locals. Even if you are fluent in their native language, they will give you the older and less attractive lady and you will pay the non-local fee. Your best bet is to go with a local friend.

So I have no experience in the Japan, but what you say holds in many many countries especially in the Slavic countries, like Poland to Romania and East to Kazakhstan and Georgia, and of course in the Russia. If you are a foreigner, they will 100% take your money and enjoy doing it, but you will get a second rate girl. If you have a connect or a handler, you get their secret best who they don't even give to locals, only foreign VIPs.

But for OP, you handled it right, in the room, but maybe let it get inside your head too much. I give you my possibly unique perspective on "having a shitty time".

So for me, there are people who "demand to see the manager" at every turn, the moment they find a way to complain or try to get 10 bucks off, they let loose. The other extreme is pussies who let everyone shit on them and they say nothing. Somewhere in the middle of course is the sweet spot. I like to take the roll of the dice. If the gal began as in the story, I would have let it roll, see if I can open her up, as you mention. By this point is far past the "refund" stage, so wipe this from your mind, you're in the game now, either play the hand or fold, but either way the game is playing.

I find in my long long time in the game and in business in general, that you get much much better result enduring the bad session and letting the boss know about it AFTER, than blowing it up and blowing your top during or aborting altogether. I've had plenty of sessions that began apprehensively or even totally shitty, but I was able to work through it and get a far above average session. If I'm already nude, I'm going to complete the mission, and not going to self-destroy it by getting myself all worked up. And for absolute sure I'm no going to fuck my next two days focusing on it. I let the gang know precisely what the problem was, hear out their resolution, then either try them again or tell that I will no be back. Always be factual and no let emotion into it. Again, no experience in the Japan, but most other places I have dealt in, explaining the problem and no escalating with emotion gets to the solution quickly with no lasting effects.

Last, to your session specifically. Now, am no 100% since I am no there or inside girl's head. But I have found sometimes you get one who had a bad experience with American, or big dick man, or whatever might be apprehension, maybe she just got butt roped by her last customer, you don't know, but it also is no your problem. For me, I've lived my whole life with gals taking one look at the beer can and giving me that look like no way that thing is going in here, and now I have choice, either I get nothing, or I work a little. So I can assure them that I prefer 69 to anything, and half the time they jump at that, and I suddenly get almost a different girl, more enthusiastic, even outgoing and aggressive, and by the time I lick her she's stuffing the whole thing inside and I win anyway. Again, this is just me and my preferences and methods of getting most of what I want and rarely getting the shit end of the deal. Have to have realistic expectations.

But no matter what, NEVER focus on how mad you are or how you feel ripped off or shitted on. Ok yes these may be true, but this gives you nothing to make next time better for yourself. Yes, you could have kicked her out. But how does that play out with the agency? What are the next moves the other player will make and how do you move after this? Yes, you could have just pounded her ass and ignore whatever horseshit complaints she might have. But again, how does this play out? Given story, you did right, tried to make it go, then after let agency know exactly the issue. Is your choice next whether to let the remedy happen and take chance again. Personally, I'd try again, but as I mentioned, I love to roll the dice. Even snake eyes is a winner for me; once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

 

[lttle guy]

I posted one of these before... after a (very) bad session in nyc (or nearby)....

I got helpful feedback.. so trying again.

ADVICE PLEASE:
I have been using an agency in Tokyo, the first girl I tried I clicked with, so I just have seen her a few times.

The other day, my airbnb situation had a 1 day missing laps, aka I didnt have a place to stay, so I thought Id go to shinjuku, chill-up in a (cheap) 24hr rest place they have available there, and maybe get a girl and stay at a love hotel for a few hours.

I spent a few hours in a sauna, then chilled at the rest area... by the time I got around to scheduled the girl, I set it up for 2am... a bit early, but not abnormal for shinjuku.

I met the girl who had a facemask on etc... and went to a nearby lovehotel.
So far everything is fine.
-----------

We get to the room, she keeps her facemask on for a bit too long.. she finally takes it off, less good looking than I hoped for but shes fine.
then... it quickly goes south. very quickly, and this is before I pay her btw.

She immidiately turns the tv on. I dont like tv noise, and her just randomly setting things up like this is a bit jarring.

then shes asking if we want to fill the barthtub, and various things, while mentioning I need to pay,,, I walk to the bathroom to check out the tub and she tells me to stop, and come back...
so, just get the picture... somethings going on... shes taken her mask off now, shes looking very stressed out, and doing these things all at once... telling me what to do, messing with the tv, looking VERY stressed

so I tell her to calm down. My 'plan' was... I will let her know she can relax... "because"... in my mind, I wanted to have a nice relaxing time and no reason for her to be stressed... that was in my mind.... I stupidly thought, that it will be fine.

she snaps back that I need to calm down. and after a bit I get her to turn the tv off... and she tells me my face looks angry, she also asked if I was drunk... and so I think... what do I do?
I can cancel the session... or maybe if I pay, she will calm down... and I can let her tale control and just do it her way... so thats what I gamble on.... after all her pushy accusations I feel Im on the defense.

I text the agency and say things are a bit weird and they say 'tell us how it goes'

I pay. (about $400)...
she says she will prepare the tub. and walks into the bath area.

I lay on tbe bed... just hoping this will end up ok.

We shower together, no touching.
we get in the tub, no romance, no touching. any attempt at touching she looks very stressed out.
we get out and go into the bedroom... I forget exactly what happens but no touching.

finally she sits up and says, condom blow job something something, or uncovered something something extra.

Due to this not being remotely sensual or sexual I say no blowjob. Please relax... and I think I say... I can give you a massage.
Again, Im thinking I can get her to see, I want a mutually relaxing time.

I give her a massage, she does relax, and for a brief moment, as Im giving her a massage I can sense shes not in panic mode.

I try to kiss her ass... her hands flick me away.
I turn her over and try to move down to lick her pussy.
she wont open her legs, so I can lick just the top edge... for like 5 min or less...
then I try to lick her breasts, shes saying ok thats fine but gently.

So agian, I can see from my breast sucking, she relaxes and breathes deeply, but multiple times she pushes me away saying its too hard (I am not debating her opinion for how she feels but just noting, I know how to properly suck on a womans breasts)

see where this is going?

So Im still trying... she says, you're working too hard, lay down.

So I realize Im not getting anywhere.. so I lay down. She asks what I want. I am still trying to get her to relax, so I say, if we can lay down next to each other, kiss, hug, etc.
She says ok, honestly she looks a bit relieved, but we dont do anything regardless. ...

this apparently is close to 90min (my order amount of time.) her alarm goes off and she says 15min left "we have to hurry up" (hurry up for what?)

I honeslty hate when women tell me to hurry up so I get up and get dressed... she see me doing this and says, she wants to stay in the room and brush her teeth, maybe I can leave now and she will leave later... basically she told me to leave. So I leave.

I text the agency and say I dont want to get the girl in trouble but it was a bad sessions.

-----------
the next day I wake up and I realize I was totally fucked in that session and Im a fucking idiot.... I hate myself and Im furious at the woman (20 yo girl) and after texting with the agency a bit Im furious with them as well...

the next 2 days.... I am livid... I text the agency a bit... they keep it professional and only reply, very basic responses... offering a $50 discount next time.

Now I finally am relaxing enough to get out of being livid... still feeling very angry... I can finally understand this woman is probably very damaged, and I ended up dealing with her negative energy. Clearly I should have canceled the moment she told me to calm down... but hindsight is 20/20.

---------

I dont consider myself a chump but, I do veer to the side of wanting and prioritizing a optimal emotional experience. I usually have good sessions. A decent amount of times the woman see im open to a deeper experience and open themselves up to me... at least, as far as im concerned, Im getting the experience I want,... and it can turn into a longer term friendship, and again at this point in my life, I enjoy that... so that was the motivation behind... being too lacks with just canceling, I thought I could fix it. Also, Im not sure how to take control in the right way when this happens. this was my rented room, this was my space, I could have told her to leave, BEFORE i paid definitely, or ended the session anytime after, and just realized the situation and told her to leave...

----------

I am still very angry but calming down now, more than 2 days later... I need advice please... I cant have these types of things happen to me. I should be smart enough to avoid this.
She's 20 years old... a fucking idiot... and she fucked my last few days up. and totally ran a train on me that night. ultimately I understand she had a huge mental issue etc... but that is besides the point. She fucked me, and I let her... and then spent the next few days.... recovering from my anger.
I still like 50% hate myself honestly... and hate everyone ... its so immature... I know... but it just a visceral feeling.

(Id like to go back to the agency, get a girl... and just... use her as much as possible ... showing her whos boss, every single minute. humiliating her. Im assuming I wont do that, but Im sharing my feelings on how Im dealing with this)

I’m heading to Tokyo Sunday. Any agency you recommend or I should avoid? TIA.

 

[Ripple65]

@winternights just curious why was she wearing a mask