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Rapey or Not Rapey: Christmas Edition

BrettKavanaugh

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Twas the night before Christmas (weekend)
And all through the house
Not a creature was stirring
Except for the weird middle-aged guy madly hacking at his keyboard contemplating what is and is not rapey in Asian hooker reviews
And the mouse too, who's all: what the fuck, dude? I'm trying to sleep here.

Spinning off the recently re-bumped and then locked down Sara thread. That was a target-rich environment, so I got a little smart-assy there. But this is serious issue, and I want a larger set of eyeballs to read this. So I'm going to be a little more straightforward this time. With a little bit of snark here and there because of course I can't help myself. Be warned, there will be some salty language. Parental discretion is advised.

I'm not the only one noticing a disturbing increase in reviews using rapey and misogynistic language recently. It's always been an undercurrent here, but it's gotten worse. And there seem to be more and more guys piling on to the pro-rape contingent to defend the rapist when the rapey portions get pointed out. Yes, I'm going to hammer home the word rape here. Aggressive language, sure. What, you don't like the aggressive language? Deal with it. This is what you signed up for. Besides, in the end they're just whores, right? They don't care about you, so rapey shit is OK. That seems to be the basic thinking, so own it.

But understand, that doesn't mean you can't have an aggressive, even demeaning session. So let me help you sociopaths understand the difference. (Wait, no, sociopaths know where the line is, but pro-actively enjoy crossing it - that's exactly the point. So some of you may not be sociopaths per se, rather you lean more idiot, and/or your emotional intelligence and capacity for basic human empathy got stunted sometime before puberty set in. A very special sub-set of you are, of course, both. My rough estimate: 60/20/20 idiot/sociopath/both).

There are two key ingredients here: consent, and respect. The subtle part that is probably beyond the capacities of most of your pre-pubescent brains is that you CAN have consensual aggression and you CAN have respectful disrespect.

Let's compare and contrast.

First, I submit to you this review of the very same Sara from a certain Caratran.
https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nyaf-sara-lost-again-but-will-call-it-a-draw.159020/

If you're a Sara fan, and tend to have more romantic GFE sessions with her (does she still do those, btw?) this might have been an uncomfortable read. Certainly it sounds physically challenging, and yes, demeaning. But you may be surprised to learn that this session - assuming it's truthful - is totally OK in my view. Why? What's the difference? You can tell that Caratrain has, in his own way, admiration and affection for Sara even as he runs her through the gauntlet. You can see that there's some explicit or implicit consent in everything he does. Note how he breaks and checks in periodically to confirm she's OK before they get back to their madness. He also doesn't throw in any gratuitous insults in his description when he's talking to us, such as putting "very very overrated in looks" in the headline.

Decision: 9-0 Not Rapey

Now let's turn to this one of CherryDD, now Reanna, from Rigandine

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nycvipsot-cherry.177289/

This is tough language he uses.....but again, there's actually an underlying current of respect and gratitude for Cherry there: respect that she can handle it, and has no problem providing this sort of session as an outlet for that aspect of Rigandine's needs. He vilely insults her, but he vilely insults her to her face...that's part of the roleplay in a safe contained environment. When he's talking to us, not to her in session, there are no insults. Well, I am a little bit uncomfortable as he stands above her, and in talking to us, contemplates her five previous customers of the day....but my take on his liberal use of the words "bimbo", "slut" and "whore" here comes over as positive. "What a whore"! Not, "she's just a whore". As someone who has gone all in in trying to reclaim "slut" and "whore" as positive words myself, at least I'm hoping that's what he's doing here. Point is, he is clearly quite enamored by Cherry. Whether or not she really enjoyed it is another question, she might have for all I know - I've met Cherry, and she's definitely a tough broad, so this seems like a walk in the park for her. The problem with this review is it's really more a review of himself than a review of Cherry, but that's a different question. Heh. Worthy of some teasing, but totally benign.

Decision: 8-1 Not Rapey. 5-4 maybe we can tone down the self-congratulation a touch, though it's actually kind of funny and entertaining and might even be brilliant satire.

BUT, as I said in the comments to the Caratran review, there is a second order of concern here, one that I'm increasingly thinking is relevant. While Caratran's and Rigandine's session themselves are totally fine, and at the first level the way they reported those sessions is fine, on a second level I'm more and more convinced that these sort of reviews are starting us down a slippery slope. (To clarify, Caratran and Rigandine, I'm not criticizing you. You guys are not in the 60/20/20 party. I've dipped my toe in this aggressive pool myself, though not as deeply as you guys, like here.....

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...-at-pyschodrama-roleplay-with-michelle.64221/
https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/my-successful-attempt-at-psychodrama-roleplay.88740/

The problem is that the 60/20/20 contingent only sees the physical behavior and the nasty dialog but doesn't catch the subtle respect and the subtle ways consent was achieved. (Hmmmm....was there anything subtle in that Cherry review?....maybe actually sorta kinda). So they take away the wrong lesson - that this sort of abusive behavior is always ok. In fact, they will use these sort of reviews to justify the actual rapey shit they do.

I'm not saying you shouldn't write such reviews (yet...though I may land there), but I'm asking everyone to be mindful of how they could be misconstrued. Maybe more explicitly emphasize your respect or at least your mindfulness of their well-being, or tidbits that hint at the implicit consent even as you do those filthy dirty and aggressive things to her - at least as much as you can within the flow of the review.

Also worth noting: everyone please be damn well sure you know what you're doing if you engage in any kind of breath play, regardless of the consent/respect issue. I'm leaning towards even if you're expert, you omit any mention of that stuff from any public-facing review so the amateurs don't get any ideas and do some real damage.

Let's now turn to our guest of honor, the author of this review:

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...y-overrated-in-looks-but-good-service.163466/

On a first read, I actually didn't quite catch the moment of literal sexual assault in the review. I mistakenly commented at the time that the physical session itself was OK. I gut reacted more to how drenched in misogyny and dehumanization his language was in the review itself. There is no underlying respect. There is no underlying affection. Sara in this review is a hole and nothing more. She's unattractive - and that's the most salient thing as it's the headline and first paragraph - but she serves a purpose, like a slab of liver. Everything he does and writes is OK because the whores view him as an ATM. And it seems that in his fucked up mind, the dehumanization is even more justified, because to his eye, she's an UNATTRACTIVE run down hole. He doesn't use quite the same dehumanizing language about Victoria H, for example, whom he finds more attractive in another review.

(Important note, of course the visual package is a critical component of any review. While gratuitous and very rude - there are more humane ways of imparting his opinion - I wouldn't have been triggered by the title and first paragraph in isolation if it had ended there. There's nothing wrong with "I'm sorry to say I don't find Sara nearly as attractive visually as some of you guys, and honestly she's starting to look tired, I'm a little worried about her volume, but she still provides great service and is a trooper even as I did dirty dirty things to her. Thumbs up." But in this case the comments on her looks sure feel intrinsically linked to the assault that comes after. Well-adjusted adults would not put two "very"s in that title. Really nobody normal would put any very in the title.

Like I said, the language was so bad, I didn't even notice the assault the first time. But when it got rebumped, I caught this particular moment....where he senses she is trying to prevent him from going past a certain point, but he pushes his way through anyway. It may not seem like that big of a deal to you, and in terms of physical stress on her body, there's no question that this session was nothing to her compared to what Caratran did. I don't know Sara, but my sense is she was probably bored to tears by this guy and, correct, by now she wouldn't remember him at all unless he had a Gorbachev-style birthmark shaped like the Philippines on his head or some similar skin condition. But, THAT, my friends, was sexual assault. Plain and clear. Do you not see the difference? Even whores have the right to draw the line. Now, this may not meet the legal standard of reasonable doubt. She did not verbally state her objections or do anything further to resist. That's not the point. I'm not trying to convict the guy in a criminal trial. I'm telling you what is ethical and not ethical. She successfully conveyed her lack of consent with her throat - and most importantly, he in turn EXPLICITLY UNDERSTOOD that she was not consenting, that she did not want him going that far - and he proceeded anyway. She submitted, and then continued on with the session, because that's how Sara has decided to survive and navigate this world. But that doesn't justify his actions anymore than rape victims not resisting or reporting the rape justifies the rape.

Not only did he proceed, to top it off, then came the gloating. He celebrates his successful sexual assault with great satisfaction. "I got what I came for. A nice healthy week's worth". Violating her consent was actually part of the thrill for him, a feature, not a bug. Hey, it was healthy! No different from what the Japanese Army got what they came for when they marched into Nanjing.

Decision: 9-0 Rapey. 6-3 we can delete the y.

Also, not necessarily inherently rapey, but man this dude is consumed with his own precious bodily fluids. "A nice healthy week's worth". Then feels the need to tell us he urinated afterwards. WTF was that about? There's probably some correlation there, but I'm not expert in reptilian psychology.

Strike that, there IS a correlation. The urination report is not gratuitous at all. I'm quoting directly. "Sara served her purpose. I went to the bathroom, urinated, and left." Sara is on the same level as a toilet. A receptacle for his precious bodily fluids. (I know, it's Sara, and she was doing all the nasty golden showers stuff. This might seem counter-intuitive, but if as part of the session you want to roleplay and started going off "you're just my dirty toilet, bitch, drink my precious bodily fluids", that can actually be OK, if that's your thing. Kinky, but OK. You can report on your roleplay monologue if you like. But it's not OK when talking to us outside of the room, because now it sure seems like he really does see her as being equal in value to a toilet. It's not roleplay anymore. Do you all understand the difference?)

To repeat, this is not about Sara. I think we can all assume Sara is fine. This is about US as functioning adult human beings. And it's about how the next sociopath, having read this review - and then reading all the comments defending and normalizing his dehumanizing language and actions -- will slip further down the slope of misogyny and non-consent and even violence. I am dead fucking serious that there is a straight line from this review to Gilgo Beach. Some of you will cackle your objections, that I am exaggerating, loosen up, pump the brakes, slow your roll, you're doing too much, etc. But I am not budging from that statement. Straight fucking line. (We can at least all agree that Gilgo Beach is not acceptable, right? Am I a simp and a white knight if I suggest that Gilgo Beach wasn't cool? In the end, they were merely providers after all. Well, in the end, they were dead.)

And why am I not exaggerating when I say there is a straight fucking line? Why am I now in such a spittle-laced rant about a few online words on a site that is just some dudes exchanging fictional stories? In part, because, as I mentioned over there, a girl reached out to me after my first comment on that Sara review 2 months ago and told me that one of the 60/20/20 ON THAT THREAD was stalking her and sending her rape threats. Real life shit. Rape threats may not be murder, but they're on that path. Again, I can't know for sure if what she said is true - which is one reason why I won't name the perp for now. (But dude, don't be an idiot. Try not to trigger me). But most of you intuitively know it is almost certainly true. I brought that up over there, and some of you STILL DEFENDED this kind of language. As you all circle jerk each other, understand there's a stalker in your midst who was sending out real life rape threats. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more than one amongst you, given the low-profile secondary accounts emerging from the woodwork in my PMs the other day fishing for hints about what I was told.

I don't mean to single out Fury...well, yes I do. But he's not alone. That's the problem. Far too many of you are like this. There was the psycho last year who slapped Alyssa and gloated about knocking out her hearing aid. That one got deleted, so no link. Then there was this guy....

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-36-dream-spa-honey.150381/

In that case the violation of consent itself was collateral damage, not the target, (as if that's exculpatory) but he didn't care and he also got what he came for, regardless of the pain he caused Honey. (Again, I have no idea who Honey is. Not about any particular girl).

Decision: 8-1 Rapey

Of course there are many many more - some are 6-3 decisions, some 5-4, and inevitably there will be some that aren't quite rapey but are in the grey area. (For example, there's a whole separate thread we can do on the ethical response to "come for me baby"). But I don't want to go trolling through the garbage. There was however a recent review that sticks in my mind featuring related, though slightly different self-incriminating reports of vile behavior.

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nycvipspot-zelda.172227/

Kind of a throwaway in an otherwise conventional review, but this very fine person thinks it's perfectly OK to rifle through the girl's drawers to check out her prescriptions. Implicit is that it's OK because she's just a whore. I'm just protecting myself, he thinks. Exercising reasonable caution. It didn't even seem to ever occur to him that this might be a questionable move. But this violation, my friends is EXACTLY equivalent to her going through your wallet. Probably worse. Not acceptable behavior. Not to mention, just plain weird and neurotic. This guy is actually a good writer in a way and not literally an idiot, yet appears completely oblivious to his own hatred of women.

Decision: 7-2 not precisely rapey, but 9-0 violation of consent and pure distilled creepy misogyny.

So for those of you who "see nothing wrong with these reviews", I urge you to look again. If you still don't see anything, then I'm afraid you too are in that 60/20/20 contingent and you have some growing up to do.

Tangent rant now. For those who can't take criticism, who when confronted with these truths resort to juvenile name-calling like manginas, white knights, simps, Captain Save-a-Ho, and such, don't come crying like a baby about "freedom of speech" when I, in turn, mock your idiot responses. Boo fucking hoo. "My widdle feelings are hurt. Somebody called me a misogynist. That's not fair! I'm not a misogynist, I just hate women. Daddy, make them stop." You have no fucking understanding about freedom of speech. I happen to know a little something about this from my day job. Of course you have the constitutionally protected right to reveal yourself to be an emotionally stunted moron. (Well, technically, the 1st amendment is about Congress....if AMPreviews wants to regulate speech, then it is essentially free to do so). But likewise there is nothing protecting you and your fragile feelings from being called out for your staggering misogyny and rape-positive hot takes. To quote the immortal words of James Madison at the constitutional convention, "Why you got your panties in such a twift? Who's the fucking limp-dicked pufsy now, bitches?"

Finally, it is Christmas time after all, and as my family, and the mouse (finally!) peacefully slumber with visions of gingerbread cookies and sugar plum fairies dancing in their heads, I do want to downshift here and end on a note of grace. Holiday spirit and all that.

Mental note: add SL Fairy to my personal Christmas stocking stuffer list.

Let's exhale.....

In this yuletide season, I find myself turning to ole' St Vick for inspiration. As in Victoria H, our recently dear departed patron saint of Midtown whores/Goddess of Mercy. May the memory of her whoredom be a blessing. What would Victoria do? WWVD. You see, Saint Victoria has much to teach us. For example, this review.

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...rdue-i-collapsed-and-nearly-fainted-t.158819/

(Also check out who wrote that piece. What a beautiful moment. Sometimes the universe bestows these little gifts on us. Metaphorical frankincense and myrrh right there).

Before we get to the relevant stuff, I have to point out something I caught in re-reading this - it turns out Victoria was short-changed! She only got 6 days worth of his precious bodily fluids. And it wasn't even healthy! All of this is strangely precise. I wonder if Fury works in inventory control. Or maybe he fills up IV bags. Do we get a full accounting of the time lapsed since his previous ejaculations in all of his reviews? I really don't want to click on the others at this point.

Now, I'm pretty sure he made up or exaggerated a bunch of her quotes in this review, but this passage rings true - because why would he make this part up? (I know the policy of quoting private details, but this isn't explicit - I think in this instance we can make an exception as it's highly pertinent).

"I had to sit down in the shower, she then became a bit concerned. I told her I was good but let's head back to the room so I can lay down a second. She then assists me walking back and that's when the dizziness REALLY took over, I stumbled and fell to the floor. Victoria called for Papasan to assist, and when I got back to the room she was scared, kept asking if I was okay and Victoria said "let's call 911", and Papasan was about to. I said "No no I'm fine, just let me lay down a bit." Victoria said "Are you sure? I want to make sure you're okay." I tell her it's fine....... I then asked Victoria if she had another appointment, but she said "Yes I do, but don't worry, you can sleep here as long as you want, I'll stay with you, no extra money"........I then later on after some time get a text from a random number. "Hey it's Victoria, I just wanted to see if you were better now, I was worried about you."

Isn't it interesting that our little fainting friend is the very same person who later on in that Sara thread wrote this:

"Lol

I think it's time those of you too emotionally invested in these women (who, just as a reminder, care nothing for you and only view you as an white-knight ATM machine simp and likely trash you to their friends and other providers behind your back anyways, and probably trash me too and all of us in general) need to remember that these are merely providers at the end of the day."

Merely providers. Just whores. Just worthless fucking whores. You shouldn't give a shit about them.

At the end of the day. At the end of the day their fundamental identity is that of worthless fucking whore. Same as a toilet. Who gives a shit if a whore gets raped? It's their job to get raped, right? LOL!

They are not your friends. You are nothing special. You're just a cash machine. They are just worthless fucking whores.

And yet. Here we have a human being, likely a damaged human being who has made some questionable choices in her life, but a human being nonetheless, showing some basic human decency to another human being. Regardless of whether he deserves it or not. More basic human decency than many of you seem capable of mustering. We all can learn a little something from a whore if we pay attention.

Strive to be better. Strive to be as good as a whore.

Merry Christmas.
 

Beacon

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Lot of dudes think they pay for an hour and can do whatever they want, not realizing that they are with another human being and should respect them as such. If consent is given then go ahead, if not then cut your session short if you can’t get what you’re looking for and move on. Look for some S&M parties if you’re into that stuff.
 

robrbt101

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And yet. Here we have a human being, likely a damaged human being who has made some questionable choices in her life, but a human being nonetheless, showing some basic human decency to another human being. Regardless of whether he deserves it or not. More basic human decency than many of you seem capable of mustering. We all can learn a little something from a whore if we pay attention.

Strive to be better. Strive to be as good as a whore.

Merry Christmas.
honestly the sentiment here is quite poetic and beautiful even if its circumstance for existing arose from something much more darker, serious, and I say without any sarcasm or irony: a necessity to be stated and explained as such.
 

Retired042224-1

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Twas the night before Christmas (weekend)
And all through the house
Not a creature was stirring
Except for the weird middle-aged guy madly hacking at his keyboard contemplating what is and is not rapey in Asian hooker reviews
And the mouse too, who's all: what the fuck, dude? I'm trying to sleep here.

Spinning off the recently re-bumped and then locked down Sara thread. That was a target-rich environment, so I got a little smart-assy there. But this is serious issue, and I want a larger set of eyeballs to read this. So I'm going to be a little more straightforward this time. With a little bit of snark here and there because of course I can't help myself. Be warned, there will be some salty language. Parental discretion is advised.

I'm not the only one noticing a disturbing increase in reviews using rapey and misogynistic language recently. It's always been an undercurrent here, but it's gotten worse. And there seem to be more and more guys piling on to the pro-rape contingent to defend the rapist when the rapey portions get pointed out. Yes, I'm going to hammer home the word rape here. Aggressive language, sure. What, you don't like the aggressive language? Deal with it. This is what you signed up for. Besides, in the end they're just whores, right? They don't care about you, so rapey shit is OK. That seems to be the basic thinking, so own it.

But understand, that doesn't mean you can't have an aggressive, even demeaning session. So let me help you sociopaths understand the difference. (Wait, no, sociopaths know where the line is, but pro-actively enjoy crossing it - that's exactly the point. So some of you may not be sociopaths per se, rather you lean more idiot, and/or your emotional intelligence and capacity for basic human empathy got stunted sometime before puberty set in. A very special sub-set of you are, of course, both. My rough estimate: 60/20/20 idiot/sociopath/both).

There are two key ingredients here: consent, and respect. The subtle part that is probably beyond the capacities of most of your pre-pubescent brains is that you CAN have consensual aggression and you CAN have respectful disrespect.

Let's compare and contrast.

First, I submit to you this review of the very same Sara from a certain Caratran.
https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nyaf-sara-lost-again-but-will-call-it-a-draw.159020/

If you're a Sara fan, and tend to have more romantic GFE sessions with her (does she still do those, btw?) this might have been an uncomfortable read. Certainly it sounds physically challenging, and yes, demeaning. But you may be surprised to learn that this session - assuming it's truthful - is totally OK in my view. Why? What's the difference? You can tell that Caratrain has, in his own way, admiration and affection for Sara even as he runs her through the gauntlet. You can see that there's some explicit or implicit consent in everything he does. Note how he breaks and checks in periodically to confirm she's OK before they get back to their madness. He also doesn't throw in any gratuitous insults in his description when he's talking to us, such as putting "very very overrated in looks" in the headline.

Decision: 9-0 Not Rapey

Now let's turn to this one of CherryDD, now Reanna, from Rigandine

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nycvipsot-cherry.177289/

This is tough language he uses.....but again, there's actually an underlying current of respect and gratitude for Cherry there: respect that she can handle it, and has no problem providing this sort of session as an outlet for that aspect of Rigandine's needs. He vilely insults her, but he vilely insults her to her face...that's part of the roleplay in a safe contained environment. When he's talking to us, not to her in session, there are no insults. Well, I am a little bit uncomfortable as he stands above her, and in talking to us, contemplates her five previous customers of the day....but my take on his liberal use of the words "bimbo", "slut" and "whore" here comes over as positive. "What a whore"! Not, "she's just a whore". As someone who has gone all in in trying to reclaim "slut" and "whore" as positive words myself, at least I'm hoping that's what he's doing here. Point is, he is clearly quite enamored by Cherry. Whether or not she really enjoyed it is another question, she might have for all I know - I've met Cherry, and she's definitely a tough broad, so this seems like a walk in the park for her. The problem with this review is it's really more a review of himself than a review of Cherry, but that's a different question. Heh. Worthy of some teasing, but totally benign.

Decision: 8-1 Not Rapey. 5-4 maybe we can tone down the self-congratulation a touch, though it's actually kind of funny and entertaining and might even be brilliant satire.

BUT, as I said in the comments to the Caratran review, there is a second order of concern here, one that I'm increasingly thinking is relevant. While Caratran's and Rigandine's session themselves are totally fine, and at the first level the way they reported those sessions is fine, on a second level I'm more and more convinced that these sort of reviews are starting us down a slippery slope. (To clarify, Caratran and Rigandine, I'm not criticizing you. You guys are not in the 60/20/20 party. I've dipped my toe in this aggressive pool myself, though not as deeply as you guys, like here.....

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...-at-pyschodrama-roleplay-with-michelle.64221/
https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/my-successful-attempt-at-psychodrama-roleplay.88740/

The problem is that the 60/20/20 contingent only sees the physical behavior and the nasty dialog but doesn't catch the subtle respect and the subtle ways consent was achieved. (Hmmmm....was there anything subtle in that Cherry review?....maybe actually sorta kinda). So they take away the wrong lesson - that this sort of abusive behavior is always ok. In fact, they will use these sort of reviews to justify the actual rapey shit they do.

I'm not saying you shouldn't write such reviews (yet...though I may land there), but I'm asking everyone to be mindful of how they could be misconstrued. Maybe more explicitly emphasize your respect or at least your mindfulness of their well-being, or tidbits that hint at the implicit consent even as you do those filthy dirty and aggressive things to her - at least as much as you can within the flow of the review.

Also worth noting: everyone please be damn well sure you know what you're doing if you engage in any kind of breath play, regardless of the consent/respect issue. I'm leaning towards even if you're expert, you omit any mention of that stuff from any public-facing review so the amateurs don't get any ideas and do some real damage.

Let's now turn to our guest of honor, the author of this review:

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...y-overrated-in-looks-but-good-service.163466/

On a first read, I actually didn't quite catch the moment of literal sexual assault in the review. I mistakenly commented at the time that the physical session itself was OK. I gut reacted more to how drenched in misogyny and dehumanization his language was in the review itself. There is no underlying respect. There is no underlying affection. Sara in this review is a hole and nothing more. She's unattractive - and that's the most salient thing as it's the headline and first paragraph - but she serves a purpose, like a slab of liver. Everything he does and writes is OK because the whores view him as an ATM. And it seems that in his fucked up mind, the dehumanization is even more justified, because to his eye, she's an UNATTRACTIVE run down hole. He doesn't use quite the same dehumanizing language about Victoria H, for example, whom he finds more attractive in another review.

(Important note, of course the visual package is a critical component of any review. While gratuitous and very rude - there are more humane ways of imparting his opinion - I wouldn't have been triggered by the title and first paragraph in isolation if it had ended there. There's nothing wrong with "I'm sorry to say I don't find Sara nearly as attractive visually as some of you guys, and honestly she's starting to look tired, I'm a little worried about her volume, but she still provides great service and is a trooper even as I did dirty dirty things to her. Thumbs up." But in this case the comments on her looks sure feel intrinsically linked to the assault that comes after. Well-adjusted adults would not put two "very"s in that title. Really nobody normal would put any very in the title.

Like I said, the language was so bad, I didn't even notice the assault the first time. But when it got rebumped, I caught this particular moment....where he senses she is trying to prevent him from going past a certain point, but he pushes his way through anyway. It may not seem like that big of a deal to you, and in terms of physical stress on her body, there's no question that this session was nothing to her compared to what Caratran did. I don't know Sara, but my sense is she was probably bored to tears by this guy and, correct, by now she wouldn't remember him at all unless he had a Gorbachev-style birthmark shaped like the Philippines on his head or some similar skin condition. But, THAT, my friends, was sexual assault. Plain and clear. Do you not see the difference? Even whores have the right to draw the line. Now, this may not meet the legal standard of reasonable doubt. She did not verbally state her objections or do anything further to resist. That's not the point. I'm not trying to convict the guy in a criminal trial. I'm telling you what is ethical and not ethical. She successfully conveyed her lack of consent with her throat - and most importantly, he in turn EXPLICITLY UNDERSTOOD that she was not consenting, that she did not want him going that far - and he proceeded anyway. She submitted, and then continued on with the session, because that's how Sara has decided to survive and navigate this world. But that doesn't justify his actions anymore than rape victims not resisting or reporting the rape justifies the rape.

Not only did he proceed, to top it off, then came the gloating. He celebrates his successful sexual assault with great satisfaction. "I got what I came for. A nice healthy week's worth". Violating her consent was actually part of the thrill for him, a feature, not a bug. Hey, it was healthy! No different from what the Japanese Army got what they came for when they marched into Nanjing.

Decision: 9-0 Rapey. 6-3 we can delete the y.

Also, not necessarily inherently rapey, but man this dude is consumed with his own precious bodily fluids. "A nice healthy week's worth". Then feels the need to tell us he urinated afterwards. WTF was that about? There's probably some correlation there, but I'm not expert in reptilian psychology.

Strike that, there IS a correlation. The urination report is not gratuitous at all. I'm quoting directly. "Sara served her purpose. I went to the bathroom, urinated, and left." Sara is on the same level as a toilet. A receptacle for his precious bodily fluids. (I know, it's Sara, and she was doing all the nasty golden showers stuff. This might seem counter-intuitive, but if as part of the session you want to roleplay and started going off "you're just my dirty toilet, bitch, drink my precious bodily fluids", that can actually be OK, if that's your thing. Kinky, but OK. You can report on your roleplay monologue if you like. But it's not OK when talking to us outside of the room, because now it sure seems like he really does see her as being equal in value to a toilet. It's not roleplay anymore. Do you all understand the difference?)

To repeat, this is not about Sara. I think we can all assume Sara is fine. This is about US as functioning adult human beings. And it's about how the next sociopath, having read this review - and then reading all the comments defending and normalizing his dehumanizing language and actions -- will slip further down the slope of misogyny and non-consent and even violence. I am dead fucking serious that there is a straight line from this review to Gilgo Beach. Some of you will cackle your objections, that I am exaggerating, loosen up, pump the brakes, slow your roll, you're doing too much, etc. But I am not budging from that statement. Straight fucking line. (We can at least all agree that Gilgo Beach is not acceptable, right? Am I a simp and a white knight if I suggest that Gilgo Beach wasn't cool? In the end, they were merely providers after all. Well, in the end, they were dead.)

And why am I not exaggerating when I say there is a straight fucking line? Why am I now in such a spittle-laced rant about a few online words on a site that is just some dudes exchanging fictional stories? In part, because, as I mentioned over there, a girl reached out to me after my first comment on that Sara review 2 months ago and told me that one of the 60/20/20 ON THAT THREAD was stalking her and sending her rape threats. Real life shit. Rape threats may not be murder, but they're on that path. Again, I can't know for sure if what she said is true - which is one reason why I won't name the perp for now. (But dude, don't be an idiot. Try not to trigger me). But most of you intuitively know it is almost certainly true. I brought that up over there, and some of you STILL DEFENDED this kind of language. As you all circle jerk each other, understand there's a stalker in your midst who was sending out real life rape threats. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more than one amongst you, given the low-profile secondary accounts emerging from the woodwork in my PMs the other day fishing for hints about what I was told.

I don't mean to single out Fury...well, yes I do. But he's not alone. That's the problem. Far too many of you are like this. There was the psycho last year who slapped Alyssa and gloated about knocking out her hearing aid. That one got deleted, so no link. Then there was this guy....

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-36-dream-spa-honey.150381/

In that case the violation of consent itself was collateral damage, not the target, (as if that's exculpatory) but he didn't care and he also got what he came for, regardless of the pain he caused Honey. (Again, I have no idea who Honey is. Not about any particular girl).

Decision: 8-1 Rapey

Of course there are many many more - some are 6-3 decisions, some 5-4, and inevitably there will be some that aren't quite rapey but are in the grey area. (For example, there's a whole separate thread we can do on the ethical response to "come for me baby"). But I don't want to go trolling through the garbage. There was however a recent review that sticks in my mind featuring related, though slightly different self-incriminating reports of vile behavior.

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/review-nycvipspot-zelda.172227/

Kind of a throwaway in an otherwise conventional review, but this very fine person thinks it's perfectly OK to rifle through the girl's drawers to check out her prescriptions. Implicit is that it's OK because she's just a whore. I'm just protecting myself, he thinks. Exercising reasonable caution. It didn't even seem to ever occur to him that this might be a questionable move. But this violation, my friends is EXACTLY equivalent to her going through your wallet. Probably worse. Not acceptable behavior. Not to mention, just plain weird and neurotic. This guy is actually a good writer in a way and not literally an idiot, yet appears completely oblivious to his own hatred of women.

Decision: 7-2 not precisely rapey, but 9-0 violation of consent and pure distilled creepy misogyny.

So for those of you who "see nothing wrong with these reviews", I urge you to look again. If you still don't see anything, then I'm afraid you too are in that 60/20/20 contingent and you have some growing up to do.

Tangent rant now. For those who can't take criticism, who when confronted with these truths resort to juvenile name-calling like manginas, white knights, simps, Captain Save-a-Ho, and such, don't come crying like a baby about "freedom of speech" when I, in turn, mock your idiot responses. Boo fucking hoo. "My widdle feelings are hurt. Somebody called me a misogynist. That's not fair! I'm not a misogynist, I just hate women. Daddy, make them stop." You have no fucking understanding about freedom of speech. I happen to know a little something about this from my day job. Of course you have the constitutionally protected right to reveal yourself to be an emotionally stunted moron. (Well, technically, the 1st amendment is about Congress....if AMPreviews wants to regulate speech, then it is essentially free to do so). But likewise there is nothing protecting you and your fragile feelings from being called out for your staggering misogyny and rape-positive hot takes. To quote the immortal words of James Madison at the constitutional convention, "Why you got your panties in such a twift? Who's the fucking limp-dicked pufsy now, bitches?"

Finally, it is Christmas time after all, and as my family, and the mouse (finally!) peacefully slumber with visions of gingerbread cookies and sugar plum fairies dancing in their heads, I do want to downshift here and end on a note of grace. Holiday spirit and all that.

Mental note: add SL Fairy to my personal Christmas stocking stuffer list.

Let's exhale.....

In this yuletide season, I find myself turning to ole' St Vick for inspiration. As in Victoria H, our recently dear departed patron saint of Midtown whores/Goddess of Mercy. May the memory of her whoredom be a blessing. What would Victoria do? WWVD. You see, Saint Victoria has much to teach us. For example, this review.

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?th...rdue-i-collapsed-and-nearly-fainted-t.158819/

(Also check out who wrote that piece. What a beautiful moment. Sometimes the universe bestows these little gifts on us. Metaphorical frankincense and myrrh right there).

Before we get to the relevant stuff, I have to point out something I caught in re-reading this - it turns out Victoria was short-changed! She only got 6 days worth of his precious bodily fluids. And it wasn't even healthy! All of this is strangely precise. I wonder if Fury works in inventory control. Or maybe he fills up IV bags. Do we get a full accounting of the time lapsed since his previous ejaculations in all of his reviews? I really don't want to click on the others at this point.

Now, I'm pretty sure he made up or exaggerated a bunch of her quotes in this review, but this passage rings true - because why would he make this part up? (I know the policy of quoting private details, but this isn't explicit - I think in this instance we can make an exception as it's highly pertinent).

"I had to sit down in the shower, she then became a bit concerned. I told her I was good but let's head back to the room so I can lay down a second. She then assists me walking back and that's when the dizziness REALLY took over, I stumbled and fell to the floor. Victoria called for Papasan to assist, and when I got back to the room she was scared, kept asking if I was okay and Victoria said "let's call 911", and Papasan was about to. I said "No no I'm fine, just let me lay down a bit." Victoria said "Are you sure? I want to make sure you're okay." I tell her it's fine....... I then asked Victoria if she had another appointment, but she said "Yes I do, but don't worry, you can sleep here as long as you want, I'll stay with you, no extra money"........I then later on after some time get a text from a random number. "Hey it's Victoria, I just wanted to see if you were better now, I was worried about you."

Isn't it interesting that our little fainting friend is the very same person who later on in that Sara thread wrote this:

"Lol

I think it's time those of you too emotionally invested in these women (who, just as a reminder, care nothing for you and only view you as an white-knight ATM machine simp and likely trash you to their friends and other providers behind your back anyways, and probably trash me too and all of us in general) need to remember that these are merely providers at the end of the day."

Merely providers. Just whores. Just worthless fucking whores. You shouldn't give a shit about them.

At the end of the day. At the end of the day their fundamental identity is that of worthless fucking whore. Same as a toilet. Who gives a shit if a whore gets raped? It's their job to get raped, right? LOL!

They are not your friends. You are nothing special. You're just a cash machine. They are just worthless fucking whores.

And yet. Here we have a human being, likely a damaged human being who has made some questionable choices in her life, but a human being nonetheless, showing some basic human decency to another human being. Regardless of whether he deserves it or not. More basic human decency than many of you seem capable of mustering. We all can learn a little something from a whore if we pay attention.

Strive to be better. Strive to be as good as a whore.

Merry Christmas.
Bravo
 

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I remember when I first started becoming more active on this board, I’d read a certain prolific poster gloat about putting girls out of work for a few days and you’d have the peanut gallery hootin’ and hollerin’. How is it funny to injure someone? I don’t know. And I find a lot of things humorous.

Then this summer, I got close to a provider and she’d tell me how some customers are just plain assholes who have no regard for what their actions are doing to the health of the provider.

https://ampreviews.net/index.php?threads/disturbing-trend-roughness.163551/

But really, whose minds will be changed? Who, among those that commit heinous acts and think that’s within their right because they’re dropping money down, will take inventory of their actions and will try to be better? I feel like the ones who try to strive to be better are already better. Yet, I still hope someone will change.

These providers are mothers, daughters, sisters. Us mongers are sons, fathers and brothers. We all monger and they become providers for multitudes of reason. But never forget we are all people who possess real emotions and feelings and if we try to raise up everyone instead of demean and put down, the world will be that much nicer to live in.
 

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My favorite part is when you get called a "simp" for basic human decency.
I realize alot of people on this site are red-pilled manosphere weirdos. Just bitter and misogynistic as hell when it comes to women.

When it comes to red pill. Eat the meat, spit out the bones. Theres alot of truth there but universally applying models of behaviors to humans is problematic. No one has ever created a model of behavior that is accurate enough to make consistently reliable predictions

When i do sessions I tailor my style to the girl. Some of them like dirty talk , some dont , some like rough rapey sex others dont. This is why I get consistently good sessions. I hone in on their style and adapt to it. I strongly perfer it when they have fun/enjoy themselves too. People say my reviews are lies but i consistently bring out the wildness in these women. Pay attention to details , body language ect. With cherry I knew it was going to be wild from the beginning. The way she stared at me when I was making the ice breaking small talk ensured it. Theres some sessions I had with helen that were very rapey that i didnt review because some sick fucks here will inevitably take things too far and actually hurt these girls. Theres a certain type of man that gets off on causing overt discomfort to women AND SOME OF THEM ARE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.

FYI isabella from PH really has a fantasy about being gang raped by guys with aesthetic physiques. Here are the caveats that the sick fucks dont understand. When women have these rape fantasies , they want guys they are attracted to to just "take them" and use them in a way that also gives them pleasure , it does not mean stick your fist in her asshole , or fuck her vagina until it bleeds. A korean provider I used to see had rape fantasies too. her skin was too soft to deal with slapping ect so while penetrating her I put my hand over her mouth and started slapping the backside of the hand covering her mouth telling her about how shameful it is that she put herself in a situation where she was being raped , you know my dirty talk game is A+ . Boom this triggered her eyes rolling back and having a crazy ass orgasam. Some girls can take rougher stuff like sara and helen others cant. If your instincts arent good , err on the side of caution , if they want it rougher , in my experience they will tell you.

More details about isabella - she wants A guy to restrain her while the other guys take turns on her. Sometimes for women their pleasure comes from being overwhelmed by an attractive man or as in isabella's case she wants a group of guys to do it.

IRL its hard to do , thats why girls do porn. Its away to execute on their fantasies in a safe environment.

I dont know where I can find some guys to make isabellas fantasy come true , most of my friends with physiques are married or in LTRs and even then I dont know if they could perform in a setting like that, shit I dont know if I can perform in a setting like that. I dont do porn. And lastly I dont want to pay isabella to run a train on her. SHE NEEDS TO PAY ME FOR THAT. just finding 3 other guys with good physiques that are down for that would be insanely challenging. what the fuck am I supposed to do? go to every gym in nyc with flyers that say "gangbang tryouts , aesthetic physiques only. must be able to get rough with the woman but not too rough , must be able to work in a team , ect. tryouts at 5pm"

ABCgfe aka ubergfe previously realgfe is full of russian ice queens that think you arent even good enough to be used as a doormat by them. none of this shit goes down there. the sessions are too fuckin vanilla. But sometimes im in the mood for ice cream so occasionally i go.
 

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When it comes to red pill. Eat the meat, spit out the bones. Theres alot of truth there but universally applying models of behaviors to humans is problematic. No one has ever created a model of behavior that is accurate enough to make consistently reliable predictions

When i do sessions I tailor my style to the girl. Some of them like dirty talk , some dont , some like rough rapey sex others dont. This is why I get consistently good sessions. I hone in on their style and adapt to it. I strongly perfer it when they have fun/enjoy themselves too. People say my reviews are lies but i consistently bring out the wildness in these women. Pay attention to details , body language ect. With cherry I knew it was going to be wild from the beginning. The way she stared at me when I was making the ice breaking small talk ensured it. Theres some sessions I had with helen that were very rapey that i didnt review because some sick fucks here will inevitably take things too far and actually hurt these girls. Theres a certain type of man that gets off on causing overt discomfort to women AND SOME OF THEM ARE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.

FYI isabella from PH really has a fantasy about being gang raped by guys with aesthetic physiques. Here are the caveats that the sick fucks dont understand. When women have these rape fantasies , they want guys they are attracted to to just "take them" and use them in a way that also gives them pleasure , it does not mean stick your fist in her asshole , or fuck her vagina until it bleeds. A korean provider I used to see had rape fantasies too. her skin was too soft to deal with slapping ect so while penetrating her I put my hand over her mouth and started slapping the backside of the hand covering her mouth telling her about how shameful it is that she put herself in a situation where she was being raped , you know my dirty talk game is A+ . Boom this triggered her eyes rolling back and having a crazy ass orgasam. Some girls can take rougher stuff like sara and helen others cant. If your instincts arent good , err on the side of caution , if they want it rougher , in my experience they will tell you.

More details about isabella - she wants A guy to restrain her while the other guys take turns on her. Sometimes for women their pleasure comes from being overwhelmed by an attractive man or as in isabella's case she wants a group of guys to do it.

IRL its hard to do , thats why girls do porn. Its away to execute on their fantasies in a safe environment.

I dont know where I can find some guys to make isabellas fantasy come true , most of my friends with physiques are married or in LTRs and even then I dont know if they could perform in a setting like that, shit I dont know if I can perform in a setting like that. I dont do porn. And lastly I dont want to pay isabella to run a train on her. SHE NEEDS TO PAY ME FOR THAT. just finding 3 other guys with good physiques that are down for that would be insanely challenging. what the fuck am I supposed to do? go to every gym in nyc with flyers that say "gangbang tryouts , aesthetic physiques only. must be able to get rough with the woman but not too rough , must be able to work in a team , ect. tryouts at 5pm"

ABCgfe aka ubergfe previously realgfe is full of russian ice queens that think you arent even good enough to be used as a doormat by them. none of this shit goes down there. the sessions are too fuckin vanilla. But sometimes im in the mood for ice cream so occasionally i go.
Agreed.
 

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I just realized I could make isabellas dream come true. All I have to do is go to the hardcore bodybuilding gyms in nyc and say "gangbang recruitiment. Payment for participants will be made in steroids" the next day my phone will ring off the hook. the guys wont even ask about isabella and what she looks like , all the questions will be "how much steroids ? what compounds? Can we choose the compounds?"
 

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Lot of dudes think they pay for an hour and can do whatever they want, not realizing that they are with another human being and should respect them as such. If consent is given then go ahead, if not then cut your session short if you can’t get what you’re looking for and move on. Look for some S&M parties if you’re into that stuff.
A guy booked Tori for 3 hours. Apparently he thought he was going to fuck her 3 hours straight because he had Viagra. After an hour she told him to get some one else.

One time I was double teaming Sara. She was blowing me and the guy was up her pooper.
He was like cry cry.... And Sara makes a noise like she is crying but she is laughing at him. Fucking laughing.

Guys exaggerate a lot about sessions but lots of them do come off as mean spirited.
 

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I dont know where I can find some guys to make isabellas fantasy come true , most of my friends with physiques are married or in LTRs and even then I dont know if they could perform in a setting like that, shit I dont know if I can perform in a setting like that. I dont do porn. And lastly I dont want to pay isabella to run a train on her. SHE NEEDS TO PAY ME FOR THAT. just finding 3 other guys with good physiques that are down for that would be insanely challenging. what the fuck am I supposed to do? go to every gym in nyc with flyers that say "gangbang tryouts , aesthetic physiques only. must be able to get rough with the woman but not too rough , must be able to work in a team , ect. tryouts at 5pm"
If you can wait 6-8 months, I'll give you your 'aesthetic physique'. Just making sure though, what exactly are you looking for in a man?
 

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If you can wait 6-8 months, I'll give you your 'aesthetic physique'. Just making sure though, what exactly are you looking for in a man?

idk ask isabella. like i said shed have to pay me , not the other way around. im not organizing this shit. i run a software startup and have a day job , im so exausted from organizing things im too tired to even play videogames, and i love videogames.
 

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was stalking her and sending her rape threats
A girl I know had a sick f*ck threaten to rape her daughter, who was a toddler at the time.
There are some deranged sh*theads in our "community".

Not to mention the guys who stalk girls on social media and out them to friends & family.
I just don't get it.
I've only ever seen escorts and I have never become obsessed with one that I would even consider contacting her outside the client/provider realm.
Some guys in this thing of ours are just plain sick in the head and downright dangerous.
Like I said on @beatnik 's roughness thread, the girls and agencies have to be extremely vigilant and restrictive.
 

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A guy booked Tori for 3 hours. Apparently he thought he was going to fuck her 3 hours straight because he had Viagra. After an hour she told him to get some one else.

One time I was double teaming Sara. She was blowing me and the guy was up her pooper.
He was like cry cry.... And Sara makes a noise like she is crying but she is laughing at him. Fucking laughing.

Guys exaggerate a lot about sessions but lots of them do come off as mean spirited.
If he booked her for 3 hours he should be entitled to fuck her for as long as he can. If not she shouldn't take the session. She can't handle it anyway. When i saw her, her pussy was too tight . She was screaming when i was almost done. She should never take a 3 hour session. She probably thought guy was gonna be old and want to talk to her for an hour.

I gotta read all these reviews before i give my full take. Cause the Sara review didnt same at all over the top to me. I didn't know about behind the scenes though sjnce that wasnt in the review.
 

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If he booked her for 3 hours he should be entitled to fuck her for as long as he can.
I totally disagree.
There are limits and that, IMO, is completely over the top.
Some scenarios:
- The guy in question took viagra - he wouldn't have been able to do the ridiculous 3 hour thing without it. Would it be OK if he had taken meth, which supposedly has similar effects?
- Guy books for 3 hours but is very drunk or doing coke and can't get hard. Should the girl have to do BBBJ for the whole 3 hours?

You say Tori shouldn't have took the session?
I say the viagra idiot should have told the booker what he planned to do, and then they could find a girl (if any exist) who would be OK with it (which I doubt).
 

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I totally disagree.
There are limits and that, IMO, is completely over the top.
Some scenarios:
- The guy in question took viagra - he wouldn't have been able to do the ridiculous 3 hour thing without it. Would it be OK if he had taken meth, which supposedly has similar effects?
- Guy books for 3 hours but is very drunk or doing coke and can't get hard. Should the girl have to do BBBJ for the whole 3 hours?

You say Tori shouldn't have took the session?
I say the viagra idiot should have told the booker what he planned to do, and then they could find a girl (if any exist) who would be OK with it (which I doubt).
Since when is Viagra illegal??? He took it so what. That's his choice.

I commend him for his stamina. Like i said before i'm for the bros.
 

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No girl can take 3 hours of straight boning. Even an hour session you have at least 5 mins before and 5 mins at end of dressing showering and etc. Even if you have 3 customers that use the whole hour you have 10 minute breaks at least in between fucking.

I would say that they expect to get fucked less with one guy for 3 hours vs 3 guys for an hour back to back.

I fucked for two hours once with a gf.....never again. We were both sore AF after.
 
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