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Review: BGC's Crown Jewel I: Jamie
- Thread starter SJ Boy
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More than asked for it. They bragged to people and met a local restaurant to discuss the girls. They let an undercover cop into the group. After dinner one night the cop got all the license plate numbers…the main guy that did all the leases - he was bragging to an off duty cop about how much he spent and how many girls he had seen. They were idiots.
Interesting, no I’m not aware of the backstory.
Though, doesn’t that prove a point? Once you let that info out, you lose control of it. Many of us are trying to stay as anonymous as possible in this hobby, so I’m just not there yet when some k-orgs can go with provider references.
with that said, I’ve been tempted more than once to give in to BGC…maybe some day.
Though, doesn’t that prove a point? Once you let that info out, you lose control of it. Many of us are trying to stay as anonymous as possible in this hobby, so I’m just not there yet when some k-orgs can go with provider references.
with that said, I’ve been tempted more than once to give in to BGC…maybe some day.
Anyone remember "badhombre" that posted real monger pics 3 or 4 years ago? think it was switter. pics were verified by 2 RAs I knew at the time - both had knew the mongers. Had names and where they worked. Had many guys who submitted pics nervous. badhombre was threatening to post more but suddenly stopped.
Any more events prolly not helpful to get into here. We are (mostly) adults here. Do what you want with your PII data.
Any more events prolly not helpful to get into here. We are (mostly) adults here. Do what you want with your PII data.
These risks you fear are less than the ones you don't think of like what the Seattle league did which wasn't an orgs fault. You are more likely to out yourself with a misdirected text (I actually did that once, but was able to delete the text on their phone before they read it) or have your burner phone discovered, etc. We all take embarrassing risks pursuing this hobby. A significant other may wonder where you are, track your phone, see you go into an apartment building, etc. No doubt more of these have happened than orgs misusing qualification data.
However, I actually don't like the idea of urcleared.com because it is a bigger target for hacking than individual org lists which may not be accessible online. Notorious example ashley madison hack.
However, I actually don't like the idea of urcleared.com because it is a bigger target for hacking than individual org lists which may not be accessible online. Notorious example ashley madison hack.
I wear a sun hat or hoody and mask when going in the building and up to the room, so suspicious residents can't take a picture. Do that and succumb to temptation instead of less effective witholding DL, pic and work ID, that keeps you from BGC.
Usually the orgs let you black out some key ID parameters. But I get it, it's normal to feel nervous about giving out that info, but there is a false sense of security in witholding that info when there are any of a dozen other more likely ways your anonymity can get violated which you don't think about when nervous about forking over the id info. Some of these have already been enumerated. You don't have control over these, but you do have control over witholding the id info, creating a disproportionate importance, as if witholding the info makes you significantly more secure, but that's an incorrect emotional response. Witholding the info probably has little effect on protecting you, but cost's you access to BGC.
I assume you use a burner phone? Otherwise references are no more anonymous. (I don't, but I don't have significant other.)
Usually the orgs let you black out some key ID parameters. But I get it, it's normal to feel nervous about giving out that info, but there is a false sense of security in witholding that info when there are any of a dozen other more likely ways your anonymity can get violated which you don't think about when nervous about forking over the id info. Some of these have already been enumerated. You don't have control over these, but you do have control over witholding the id info, creating a disproportionate importance, as if witholding the info makes you significantly more secure, but that's an incorrect emotional response. Witholding the info probably has little effect on protecting you, but cost's you access to BGC.
I assume you use a burner phone? Otherwise references are no more anonymous. (I don't, but I don't have significant other.)
Yes, regarding one hour video: my point exactly. Our anonymity is compromised everywhere in a lot of ways we are unaware.
If you can't follow me, my appologies, it's mostly my problem. My explanations are confusing, Kittycon is better.
I am trying to convince new mongers that it's relatively safe to give out this info to orgs. Better for mongers and providers. But first ask, what parts of ID you can cover up.
To summarise:
1. Evidence suggests that major risks to a monger's anonymity is not from giving orgs qualification info; rather,
most risks are from a bunch of unanticipated events, some enumerated in this thread.
2. The fear of less experienced mongers drives irrational and counter productive responses. It's the fear of getting outed that attempts to control what is mostly uncontrollable. Don't fight it, but have a plan if outed.
3. Consider that the orgs may already have plenty of id info from your references, rather it's your willingness to pony it up that tells them you are a compliant monger who won't out them due to not following their rules.
Two years ago LSC had to shutdown San Mateo operation due to a single monger's stupid behavior. This seriously incoveniences a bunch of mongers. (This has been mentioned previously in other threads.). With BGC I have experience that suggests they have used qualification to limit new mongers to their org.
4. Rather than trying to not give them id info, maybe mongers need to have a plan to deal with being outed, like plausible lie.
As an example, if you see my name or number is associated with orgs or providers, it's probably because of my signing up, paying on credit card for some questionable porn sites a few years ago, etc. I stupidly gave them my mobile phone number, etc.
I think that's better than a burner phone which is harder to explain and more likely to be found by someone you know. An example, where a poorly thought out security mechanism is ironically more likely to out a monger.
If you can't follow me, my appologies, it's mostly my problem. My explanations are confusing, Kittycon is better.
I am trying to convince new mongers that it's relatively safe to give out this info to orgs. Better for mongers and providers. But first ask, what parts of ID you can cover up.
To summarise:
1. Evidence suggests that major risks to a monger's anonymity is not from giving orgs qualification info; rather,
most risks are from a bunch of unanticipated events, some enumerated in this thread.
2. The fear of less experienced mongers drives irrational and counter productive responses. It's the fear of getting outed that attempts to control what is mostly uncontrollable. Don't fight it, but have a plan if outed.
3. Consider that the orgs may already have plenty of id info from your references, rather it's your willingness to pony it up that tells them you are a compliant monger who won't out them due to not following their rules.
Two years ago LSC had to shutdown San Mateo operation due to a single monger's stupid behavior. This seriously incoveniences a bunch of mongers. (This has been mentioned previously in other threads.). With BGC I have experience that suggests they have used qualification to limit new mongers to their org.
4. Rather than trying to not give them id info, maybe mongers need to have a plan to deal with being outed, like plausible lie.
As an example, if you see my name or number is associated with orgs or providers, it's probably because of my signing up, paying on credit card for some questionable porn sites a few years ago, etc. I stupidly gave them my mobile phone number, etc.
I think that's better than a burner phone which is harder to explain and more likely to be found by someone you know. An example, where a poorly thought out security mechanism is ironically more likely to out a monger.