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Shogun on FX
- Thread starter jim_hatez
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No really, I didn’t notice!!! I stumbled upon Monarch before I knew about Shogun…that’s funny. Toranaga is one of my favorite foreign actors. I first saw him in the Last Smaurai with Tom Cruise but have seen him in several movies since. He was most recently in John Wick 4.
Tony Jaa is probably my favorite foreign martial artist…
Tony Jaa is probably my favorite foreign martial artist…
I've seen a few pieces on the new show and that's exactly what it is. They wanted to take the emphasis off of the European and have Japan be the true star of the show. That's why most of it is in Japanese with subtitles and they hired several Japanese culture consultants to get everything right from the tea ceremony to the way they walk to how the Samurai hold their katana. The barbarian is just another character and not the main character...probably as it should have always been.
Hence why it's so interesting. They are obsessed with honor of the family name and appearances but, just below the surface, they are engaged in the same Shakesperian/Game of Thrones treachery as everyone else. I will say that the way they treated courtesans was more enlightened and mature than us now. Courtesans were seen as artisans. Even if the person, themselves, wasn't fully respected, their position in society certainly was.
But, I guess, along with that structure comes dictatorship, monarchy and the inability for any average person to ascend in that society without direct help from the feudal lords above them. Not ideal.
But, I guess, along with that structure comes dictatorship, monarchy and the inability for any average person to ascend in that society without direct help from the feudal lords above them. Not ideal.
Many aspects of successful societies involves people valuing/being brainwashed into embracing ideas that are good for the group and especially people in power. Killing yourself is "honorable" because that society thinks so...and it just so happens to be incredibly convenient for those in charge. So is the modern western concept of fighting with courage for your country, dying, and getting a medal with honorable burial...which is also incredibly convenient for those in charge and those who remain.
I'm not belittling the idea of military sacrifice...where would we be if WW2 vets didn't defend us against Germany and Japan? and many other wars...we obviously owe a great debt to those who fought to protect our way of life. I'm merely commenting on the social engineering and psychological aspect of "honor", which can be used for good or for bad...and frankly who decides what's "good" or "bad"? Those who win and write the history books.
I'm not belittling the idea of military sacrifice...where would we be if WW2 vets didn't defend us against Germany and Japan? and many other wars...we obviously owe a great debt to those who fought to protect our way of life. I'm merely commenting on the social engineering and psychological aspect of "honor", which can be used for good or for bad...and frankly who decides what's "good" or "bad"? Those who win and write the history books.
This is a very thoughtful and objective view...all good!
I'm excited for the next episode...Toranaga, being the master strategist...you know he has a very good trick up his sleeve (not even really a trick). He plans for contingencies well in advance. I have a good idea what it might be but I won't speculate.
I'm excited for the next episode...Toranaga, being the master strategist...you know he has a very good trick up his sleeve (not even really a trick). He plans for contingencies well in advance. I have a good idea what it might be but I won't speculate.
I much prefer subtitles to dubbing when a foreign language is involved. It bothers me when lip movements don't match the audio. Having said that, I find that Netflix does a terrible job with subtitles. To see it, turn on subtitles for an English language show and you'll how the text doesn't match the spoken word, even taking into account the need to keep the text as brief as possible to accommodate the screen display.
It's a little scary thinking how life in Japan was back then. The devotion to your Lord, while also still scheming behind his back. You commit suicide if told to, but would still join his enemy. Strange contradiction. Even life in general was hard to conceive, with both women and men being held to very strict standards and being held accountable to it by everyone. Probably similar to some of the Middle Eastern religions today.