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AutomaticSlim

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You forgot to mention that there kids usually excel in school and go on from there to contribute.
For what it's worth, their kids are also overwhelmingly on the left side of the political spectrum.
I imagine it's due to all that left wing indoctrination they encounter in the public school system and then college.
Anyway, I disagree with Mitt Romney's (and others) "staple a green card to their diploma" idea.
The people of the US were told in 1965 that the new immigration policies would "not change a thing". Boy, what a lie that was!
The change was and still is massive, and IMO, extremely destructive.
The US had/has a right to maintain it's traditional demographics.
 

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The problem with threads like this one on hobby boards is that it ignores what is going on in the pay to play world.

We have had two awful Federal anti-hobbying bills passed and signed into law. Websites have been seized and many are being subjected now to monitoring for trafficking whether accurate or not. The AMP world is getting hit the hardest of all

Carry on until it finally hits home.
 

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Hey, slow your roll, Bernie hasn't had his turn yet. I'm sure he'll follow the Cuba model, starting with dissidents.
The more things change, the more they remain the same. Those pesky dissidents are the real reason for the push to eliminate the second amendment and disarm the population. The dictator wannabes are afraid that over one hundred million gun owners with almost four hundred million weapons could interfere with their plans if they ever got together.
 

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Anyway, I disagree with Mitt Romney's (and others) "staple a green card to their diploma" idea.
The people of the US were told in 1965 that the new immigration policies would "not change a thing". Boy, what a lie that was!
The change was and still is massive, and IMO, extremely destructive.
The US had/has a right to maintain it's traditional demographics
No comment needed here. Anyone who is really interested can go to YouTube and see the results of uncontrolled immigration. Start with Malmo, Sweden. There are videos that go back several years. Also, in this country, you other old guys might remember the Cuban boat people. Thousands of Cubans willing to risk death to get away from that communist piece of shit. He let them go too, after he opened his prisons and filled many of the boats with criminals.
 

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Did you write this on your typewriter while downing some Metamucil and OAN news is in the background? I mean cause you sound like a parrot juggling words no one even uses expect for worried pensioners who depend on government help yet shit on it.
lmao I bet you’re one of these geniuses that also parrot words like: social Marxism or globalists.... damn them Jews!
No wait are you’re one of them “smart” voters who hate Obamacare but love the Afforable Care Act
(pro tip: its the same shit)
I wanted to get back to you on the other thread about "them Jews" but I didn't get the chance. This isn't a direct quote but Revelation 2::9 speaks of a group of people who say they are Jews but are not, being of the synagogue of Satan. They existed then and they exist now. And yes, they are practicing Satanists, pentagrams, black masses, the whole ball of wax. They hide among the Jews the way that terrorists hide in the civilian population.
Conservatives still using a terms about a faction of Leninists in early USsR utilized over 100 years ago and then they get offended when you call them OLD and out of touch
I can remember thinking that someone was "old and out of touch" if they weren't a rocker and a stoner. What goes around comes around.
 

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No comment needed here. Anyone who is really interested can go to YouTube and see the results of uncontrolled immigration. Start with Malmo, Sweden. There are videos that go back several years. Also, in this country, you other old guys might remember the Cuban boat people. Thousands of Cubans willing to risk death to get away from that communist piece of shit. He let them go too, after he opened his prisons and filled many of the boats with criminals.
I lived through the prison purge living in South Florida at the time.
 

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That is a great link @charliebrown

Other countries systems work by choosing and funding their priorities. They don't do it perfectly, but they choose their trade-offs. I think that if many people in this country would take the time to read the article, they would view it through the lens of whatever they want the most and forget that they have to give something up in return.

Our problem, on both sides of every political argument, is that we want the best of everything without giving anything up or acknowledging what we actually gave up to get what we wanted. It could be as basic as the cost of maintaining the status quo and pretending that it is "free" (even though taxes pay for it). It could be as complex as overhauling long-standing systems (like taxation, healthcare, education, immigration, etc), and trying to dupe the public into believing it is simple and pain free.

This is why all big changes happen after major pain or crisis in our country. I don't care if the president was Roosevelt (after great depression) or Reagan (after stagflation and the gas crisis), the pattern holds true whether it is a Dem or Rep on Pennsylvania Ave.
Well, if you notice the Sweden tax model, it is a relatively FLAT tax bracket between 20 and 30% for everyone and everything. The Bern does not tell you that country does not have a progressive tax system and he does not tell you that if you are poor or middle class, you will start paying high taxes like rich people.
 

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Well, if you notice the Sweden tax model, it is a relatively FLAT tax bracket between 20 and 30% for everyone and everything.
Are you sure? I think the majority of the country pays the flat 32%, but there are two brackets above that, depending on income. One has a 20% surcharge, and the other, the highest tax bracket, has a 25% surcharge.
 

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Just confirmed. There is the Local tax every one pays in Sweden, and it's dependent on locality. 32% is the average. Then there's a National Tax, where people earning over the first threshold pay 20%, and those over the second threshold pays 25%. Those that earn under the first threshold do have to pay any National tax.
 

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Well, if you notice the Sweden tax model, it is a relatively FLAT tax bracket between 20 and 30% for everyone and everything. The Bern does not tell you that country does not have a progressive tax system and he does not tell you that if you are poor or middle class, you will start paying high taxes like rich people.
That is exactly right. The argument for VAT/Flat taxes is that they are equal across the board. The argument against VAT/FLAT tax is that people with less income have to spend a higher percentage of their earnings and end up paying a higher total percentage of their earnings in taxes.

I think it will always boil down to what the money is spent on. If we had a national health system similar to England's (who has a VAT), it will lower the cost to administer care as the government will negotiate in bulk with pharma companies and hospital systems, and there will be a dip in the cost associated with the chronically ill due to early care. However, dismantling this part of the insurance industry and overhauling how pharma works, and rationalizing the costs in hospitals that operate on relatively low margins, is a decade long process that exceeds any one presidency. That's before his education plan which is another large system to overhaul.
 

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Are you sure? I think the majority of the country pays the flat 32%, but there are two brackets above that, depending on income. One has a 20% surcharge, and the other, the highest tax bracket, has a 25% surcharge.
You are correct that 15% of the population is paying above 50% in taxes. I am really going to be interested for see NY, Washington and California vote for taxes that high. Handing close to 60% of your check over to the government. Damn that is a lot of money.
 

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That is exactly right. The argument for VAT/Flat taxes is that they are equal across the board. The argument against VAT/FLAT tax is that people with less income have to spend a higher percentage of their earnings and end up paying a higher total percentage of their earnings in taxes.

I think it will always boil down to what the money is spent on. If we had a national health system similar to England's (who has a VAT), it will lower the cost to administer care as the government will negotiate in bulk with pharma companies and hospital systems, and there will be a dip in the cost associated with the chronically ill due to early care. However, dismantling this part of the insurance industry and overhauling how pharma works, and rationalizing the costs in hospitals that operate on relatively low margins, is a decade long process that exceeds any one presidency. That's before his education plan which is another large system to overhaul.
I am amazed that we have a free society with a government who should be regulating but they are not. Lobbyist will buy your politicians and they will expect kickbacks for that investment, those kickbacks are usually coming out of our pockets.
A lack of morals in our society is what ails us. We can change the system all we want, if the system is full of immoral people, it will fail whether it is socialist or capitalist society.
 

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I am amazed that we have a free society with a government who should be regulating but they are not. Lobbyist will buy your politicians and they will expect kickbacks for that investment, those kickbacks are usually coming out of our pockets.
A lack of morals in our society is what ails us. We can change the system all we want, if the system is full of immoral people, it will fail whether it is socialist or capitalist society.
"A lack of morals in our society is what ails us. We can change the system all we want, if the system is full of immoral people, it will fail whether it is socialist or capitalist society."

Bingo. On the nosey.
 
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