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Time to go indie

Dc46

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Great stuff, thanks. Are your $300/ppm glad outside of the NYC area? As above I’m finding $500 to be the usual ask in NYC.

I find it that girls like consistency so offering them an allowance has proven much better results that a pay per meet. Girls tend to think it’s a one and done scenario and will stick to more money. The girls I haved offered monthly allowance to drop their price alittle bit at first then drop them more when they know it will be a consistent thing. I had a hot 25 year old brunette quote me 400 a meeting but after I gave her my routine she dropped all the way to 200 a meeting in an allowance form. Every 2 weeks i’d give her 400. She took her profile down and just saw me. Her needs weren’t that much and didn’t want to go through the meeting 10 guys etc.
 

Uniquelyme

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I'll speak to SA now that I have some significant experience under my belt with it.

I have paid between $0-$300 for the meet. Now, to be fair, that doesn't include paying a meal or coffee or anything we might do.
Being 33 helps, I am sure. Being well spoken helps, I am sure. Being completely up front and respectful about expectations helps.
You want a deeper experience then a transaction, I highly recommend it. Yes, you will need to sort through some bullshit. Yes, some will waste time and put price tags that you aren't willing to pay on themselves. It's a part of the game.
You want quick, simpler, services with a much smaller chance to actually have any connection, then the amp/indie route is probably more realistic.

Personally, I've got no significant other to worry about. So I just go about business as usual.

You will also deal much deeper with the woman's opinions here then in the business. They like what they like and that's that. But the quality=price idea isn't necessarily accurate either. I had one woman that was expecting $1,000 for meetings. I declined the offer, but I am sure somebody more her type could do better then I was offered. The woman I haven't paid anything to and we have had an ongoing situation for 3 months now, had an allowance of $2500 a month prior to me, for 2-3 dates a month.

Point is, it is the extreme definition of YMMV. Some of us will play over there and hit the jackpot, some of us will be better suited to call and make appointments. Neither is right or wrong, it's just what it is and what we make of it.
Good for all of you who get the goods for good deals. Some won't believe you. Some will say that they must be ugly. I congratulate anyone winning on SA. I enjoyed it the 3 weeks I was on. I paid 180 + drinks first girl. $0 first date second girl. $250 third girl. All dates multiple hours. All down to be recorded. All cim etc. 24,21,18. All 7-8 in looks. Body 7-8.

Just run game its accelerated dating. You are the Man always act like it. Don't let this hobby make you into a Man who seems themself as someone who isn't desirable. SA is for a busy professional.
 

VJLUTZ

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Why no ID ???? Thank-You
Very simple: self preservation. Especially true if you don't know the girl very well. It's always possible you could meet someone looking to shake you down. Why take that risk?

I have never had one ask for my ID. And I have never asked for theirs. They don't need to know my name and I don't need to know theirs. If they are hosting, it is not to hard to find out their true identity, but I never try.
 

Dc46

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Good for all of you who get the goods for good deals. Some won't believe you. Some will say that they must be ugly. I congratulate anyone winning on SA. I enjoyed it the 3 weeks I was on. I paid 180 + drinks first girl. $0 first date second girl. $250 third girl. All dates multiple hours. All down to be recorded. All cim etc. 24,21,18. All 7-8 in looks. Body 7-8.

Just run game its accelerated dating. You are the Man always act like it. Don't let this hobby make you into a Man who seems themself as someone who isn't desirable. SA is for a busy professional.
That’s another thing too. Most have no or high limits. Bbfs, bbanal, bbj’s etc. They treat you the only way they know how, most of the times without covers. It’s a clear signal to me I am dealing with a pro if I get told CBj cfs limited kissing etc.

Guys don’t believe that you get some girls for nothing. Just a good night out, like a regular date. Some of these girls just haven’t been treated right. Feign giving them attention and listening and you will be in.
 

Uniquelyme

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That’s another thing too. Most have no or high limits. Bbfs, bbanal, bbj’s etc. They treat you the only way they know how, most of the times without covers. It’s a clear signal to me I am dealing with a pro if I get told CBj cfs limited kissing etc.

Guys don’t believe that you get some girls for nothing. Just a good night out, like a regular date. Some of these girls just haven’t been treated right. Feign giving them attention and listening and you will be in.
Yea that's kinda scary though. Cause herpes still exists and warts too. HIV is rare but the other 2 are still around. Yea these girls will typically fuck with no condom.

Confidence and listening to a girl add just enough kindness to not seem like a "Nice guy" but rather a "Good dude" gets you that box and gets her turned the fuck on.
 

VJLUTZ

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Guys don’t believe that you get some girls for nothing. Just a good night out, like a regular date. Some of these girls just haven’t been treated right. Feign giving them attention and listening and you will be in.
I've gotten AMP girls out of the spa for no $$ (just the cost of dinner, drinks and hotel). Non-pros are often easier. Play to a woman's vanity; it almost never fails.

Always remember the safecracker's motto: There are easy cracks and there are hard cracks; but there are no impossible cracks.
 

mikemendez

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I'm not sure how relevant to this conversation this first part of my post is, but taking a civie out on a date, dining, a show and drinks, lets say $160.00 total, a bit of non sensual touch, light kissing, drop her off and that's as far as she'll go, "see you again", now you're driving home with that unmistakable urge, so you pull in to a reliable parlor, spend another 1.6 which brings your total cost to $320.00 more or less. You wined and dined one to no avail, the second took care of that need, no fuss no muss. The Indy's I frequent aren't with any agency, most cost as much a local FS Spa, some are much more costlier but the best thing about them is they are much better looking than the store front shop providers.
 

Uniquelyme

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I'm not sure how relevant to this conversation this first part of my post is, but taking a civie out on a date, dining, a show and drinks, lets say $160.00 total, a bit of non sensual touch, light kissing, drop her off and that's as far as she'll go, "see you again", now you're driving home with that unmistakable urge, so you pull in to a reliable parlor, spend another 1.6 which brings your total cost to $320.00 more or less. You wined and dined one to no avail, the second took care of that need, no fuss no muss. The Indy's I frequent aren't with any agency, most cost as much a local FS Spa, some are much more costlier but the best thing about them is they are much better looking than the store front shop providers.
Fucking a non pro is worth the effort.
 

topsin20

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Isn’t there a secure verification service that agencies will accept so verification and privacy are achieved?
This is probably worthy of its own thread, but I’ve been after the same thing. Definitely not gonna sprinkle photos of my DL all over the place. If there was a trusted service that takes our privacy seriously and the agencies AND indies will use, then I’d consider it. P411 is what filled this niche up to now, but it’s closed to new members. Who will fill this critical niche?
 

TGBeldin

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I've been seeing indies for over 4 decades. First couple I didn't know how it worked but got lucky in LV when a boss back then introduced me to a door man with lots of connections. After a few sessions I had references. I got friendly with one woman who did tricks part time, helped her out with something and she taught me how to play the game.

Since then, 40 + years, few hundred women, never showed an ID, never gave a name until trust had been built with a few of them. References and P411 have been the way to go, and I skip over the few who ask for ID and personal info. 250/350 gets very accommodating, very skilled escort and if you treat them nicely the hr often becomes more. Higher rates in NYC and a few others, lower some. Most frequent flyers wind up being clockless/overnight for the cost of 2 or 3 hrs. Too many guys are jerks, so the guys who aren't and who show they are good clients do get perqs. Learning how to listen and how to cook have been godsends.

Never had good success with SA, but admit that's probably on me. It takes some cultivating and I travel too much for that.
 

Uniquelyme

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I've been seeing indies for over 4 decades. First couple I didn't know how it worked but got lucky in LV when a boss back then introduced me to a door man with lots of connections. After a few sessions I had references. I got friendly with one woman who did tricks part time, helped her out with something and she taught me how to play the game.

Since then, 40 + years, few hundred women, never showed an ID, never gave a name until trust had been built with a few of them. References and P411 have been the way to go, and I skip over the few who ask for ID and personal info. 250/350 gets very accommodating, very skilled escort and if you treat them nicely the hr often becomes more. Higher rates in NYC and a few others, lower some. Most frequent flyers wind up being clockless/overnight for the cost of 2 or 3 hrs. Too many guys are jerks, so the guys who aren't and who show they are good clients do get perqs. Learning how to listen and how to cook have been godsends.

Never had good success with SA, but admit that's probably on me. It takes some cultivating and I travel too much for that.
At your age. You are going to have to cough up signicficantly more than others who are in their 30's and 40's to the same girls. Pros might be better for you.
 

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Very simple: self preservation. Especially true if you don't know the girl very well. It's always possible you could meet someone looking to shake you down. Why take that risk?

I have never had one ask for my ID. And I have never asked for theirs. They don't need to know my name and I don't need to know theirs. If they are hosting, it is not to hard to find out their true identity, but I never try.
Shake down is scary !! :( But God forbid You were in an accident,Your Family ?? rough stuff !! Be well,take care,Mark
 

Mara_massage

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Good for all of you who get the goods for good deals. Some won't believe you. Some will say that they must be ugly. I congratulate anyone winning on SA. I enjoyed it the 3 weeks I was on. I paid 180 + drinks first girl. $0 first date second girl. $250 third girl. All dates multiple hours. All down to be recorded. All cim etc. 24,21,18. All 7-8 in looks. Body 7-8.

Just run game its accelerated dating. You are the Man always act like it. Don't let this hobby make you into a Man who seems themself as someone who isn't desirable. SA is for a busy professional.
Down to be recorded,that sounds hard to believe,aren't they concerned ?? For Us,also !!
 

Uniquelyme

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Down to be recorded,that sounds hard to believe,aren't they concerned ?? For Us,also !!
Get a girl aroused. Be the bad boy. They are down to please and be pleased. One of em was down to record first date. Second one second. Third one third or second.

These young chicks are wild af. They act like dudes in some respects. Feminism at its best.
 

TGBeldin

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At your age. You are going to have to cough up signicficantly more than others who are in their 30's and 40's to the same girls. Pros might be better for you.
The conversations on SA I have had say you are correct. But on the flip side, older guys--if the know how to treat a lady--often get much better service from indies. The good with the bad a guess.
 

Mara_massage

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Yea that's kinda scary though. Cause herpes still exists and warts too. HIV is rare but the other 2 are still around. Yea these girls will typically fuck with no condom.

Confidence and listening to a girl add just enough kindness to not seem like a "Nice guy" but rather a "Good dude" gets you that box and gets her turned the fuck on.
Why no cover, "I don't get it "
 

Mara_massage

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Get a girl aroused. Be the bad boy. They are down to please and be pleased. One of em was down to record first date. Second one second. Third one third or second.

These young chicks are wild af. They act like dudes in some respects. Feminism at its best.
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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