Interesting being you re-stated my initial point regarding your original statement. Anyone so threatened by someone else’s sexuality that they’re triggered to “beat the gay out of them” is struggling over their own sexuality. Don’t worry Nut, when you come out, I won’t beat you …. I’ll proudly support you.
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Would you ever let a guy blow you?
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That's another obvious indication that someone is bisexual. (I'm just making a retrospective point that bisexuals really have no way of knowing, especially earlier in life, that totally straight people never experience any degree of confusion when it comes to gender preference.) When you're totally straight (or totally gay, for that matter), there's absolutely no such thing as any "confusion" because you're exclusively attracted only to one gender and couldn't even imagine being attracted to someone of the other gender. Confusion comes, precisely, from realizing that you're also attracted to some members of the same gender, even (or especially) if you're primarily attracted to the opposite gender. Totally gay people aren't confused about their preference, either, because it's just as natural for them as being exclusively straight is for straight people. (There's often confusion about how they fit into society, what to disclose to whom, and how to deal with being gay or bisexual in a society that often stigmatizes both, but that's not the confusion to which I'm referring.) It's understandable to be confused if you're primarily attracted to women but find certain men sexually attractive, because we tend to think of gender preference as all or none and because someone with those impulses has no way of knowing what it feels like to be completely and exclusively straight (or gay); they only know what their own impulses are and that they have some mixed impulses.
Sorry, but that's not a fair point, at all, and I mean it's not an intellectually fair point. The idea of male-on-male sexuality of any kind is repulsive to me, and I quoted someone earlier to agree that touching another guy sexually is as repulsive to me as eating vomit. I can't watch men kiss in movies without cringing and having all of the exact same reactions as I have watching someone eat shit, or eat a giant live waterbug or squish a cow's eyeball between his teeth, or fuck around sticking needles and shit into bodyparts. There's plenty of shit that gives me the creeps and that I can't watch without cringing. That doesn't mean that I really have some secret or unconscious desire to eat shit or waterbugs; and gay sex is no different in that regard. In my opinion, it's not someone's nonjudgmental and strictly physiological reaction to homosexuality that corresponds to latent homosexuality. In my opinion, to the extent there's any connection, it's the harshness of the pejorative moralizing judgment about homosexuality that's much more likely to correspond to repressed homosexuality.
I'm sorry, but this would be one example of harsh pejorative moralizing that I'm talking about, just like over-the-top focus on anti-gay legislation and rhetoric by legislators who later end up getting caught "taking a wide stance" in mensroom stalls. It's hardly a coincidence that so many vocal opponents of gay rights and prolific preachers against homosexuality turn out to have been participating in various hidden gay activities all along. A person without any of his own issues in the realm of homosexuality rarely has outright animosity to the extent that he has any violent impulses against homosexuals; and the same goes for such an extreme reaction as disowning a child for that reason. Typically, a person who genuinely has none of his own issues in that regard tends to be much more neutral and non-judgmental about other people's sexual preferences.
As a totally straight male, I am very annoyed at any man (apparently) looking at me with sexual interest or talking to me in any kind of "flirtatious" manner, or even holding inappropriately long eye contact, for all the same reasons that women dislike when men do any of those things with no reason to believe that it's invited or reciprocal. I don't like the gay "affect" either, which is how I feel about various other behavioral "affects" that have nothing to do with sexuality. I'm never in any social environments (like gay clubs) where a guy could reasonably think that I might be anything other than straight. But I'm completely neutral about homosexuality otherwise, such as where I have no clue that some guy in the gym is gay until he or someone else mentions it, and I couldn't care less, as long as there's nothing perceivable to me as any kind of interest in me in our interactions.
So, I cannot understand how any parent could have the impulse to disown a child for that reason. I understand not tolerating nonsense like draping giant gay pride flags out my kid's window in my house or being very annoyed watching him loudly advertise his homosexuality and altering his speech pattern to adopt an exaggerated gay "affect"; but I just don't get how (for example) a discrete admission from my a child about being gay could motivate such an extreme reaction from a parent. If you care to answer, exactly what is it about a child's sexual preference that would be so offensive to you, when according to everything we know, sexual preference isn't even remotely a "choice" made by anybody? Obviously, it's a choice whether to act on it or under what circumstances, but I'm referring to the "choice" of being straight, gay, or bisexual. Would you disown a kid who stupidly stole a few cars as a teenager or who got suspended from school for bullying other kids or stealing from other kids' lockers? What is it that's so incredibly offensive to you that you'd disown a son who admitted to you that the reason he never has girlfriends is (let's say) that he's only attracted to males but doesn't want to deal with the stigma of being gay in high school?
Sorry, but that's not a fair point, at all, and I mean it's not an intellectually fair point. The idea of male-on-male sexuality of any kind is repulsive to me, and I quoted someone earlier to agree that touching another guy sexually is as repulsive to me as eating vomit. I can't watch men kiss in movies without cringing and having all of the exact same reactions as I have watching someone eat shit, or eat a giant live waterbug or squish a cow's eyeball between his teeth, or fuck around sticking needles and shit into bodyparts. There's plenty of shit that gives me the creeps and that I can't watch without cringing. That doesn't mean that I really have some secret or unconscious desire to eat shit or waterbugs; and gay sex is no different in that regard. In my opinion, it's not someone's nonjudgmental and strictly physiological reaction to homosexuality that corresponds to latent homosexuality. In my opinion, to the extent there's any connection, it's the harshness of the pejorative moralizing judgment about homosexuality that's much more likely to correspond to repressed homosexuality.
I'm sorry, but this would be one example of harsh pejorative moralizing that I'm talking about, just like over-the-top focus on anti-gay legislation and rhetoric by legislators who later end up getting caught "taking a wide stance" in mensroom stalls. It's hardly a coincidence that so many vocal opponents of gay rights and prolific preachers against homosexuality turn out to have been participating in various hidden gay activities all along. A person without any of his own issues in the realm of homosexuality rarely has outright animosity to the extent that he has any violent impulses against homosexuals; and the same goes for such an extreme reaction as disowning a child for that reason. Typically, a person who genuinely has none of his own issues in that regard tends to be much more neutral and non-judgmental about other people's sexual preferences.
As a totally straight male, I am very annoyed at any man (apparently) looking at me with sexual interest or talking to me in any kind of "flirtatious" manner, or even holding inappropriately long eye contact, for all the same reasons that women dislike when men do any of those things with no reason to believe that it's invited or reciprocal. I don't like the gay "affect" either, which is how I feel about various other behavioral "affects" that have nothing to do with sexuality. I'm never in any social environments (like gay clubs) where a guy could reasonably think that I might be anything other than straight. But I'm completely neutral about homosexuality otherwise, such as where I have no clue that some guy in the gym is gay until he or someone else mentions it, and I couldn't care less, as long as there's nothing perceivable to me as any kind of interest in me in our interactions.
So, I cannot understand how any parent could have the impulse to disown a child for that reason. I understand not tolerating nonsense like draping giant gay pride flags out my kid's window in my house or being very annoyed watching him loudly advertise his homosexuality and altering his speech pattern to adopt an exaggerated gay "affect"; but I just don't get how (for example) a discrete admission from my a child about being gay could motivate such an extreme reaction from a parent. If you care to answer, exactly what is it about a child's sexual preference that would be so offensive to you, when according to everything we know, sexual preference isn't even remotely a "choice" made by anybody? Obviously, it's a choice whether to act on it or under what circumstances, but I'm referring to the "choice" of being straight, gay, or bisexual. Would you disown a kid who stupidly stole a few cars as a teenager or who got suspended from school for bullying other kids or stealing from other kids' lockers? What is it that's so incredibly offensive to you that you'd disown a son who admitted to you that the reason he never has girlfriends is (let's say) that he's only attracted to males but doesn't want to deal with the stigma of being gay in high school?
Depends on yiur definition of a dude. Considering that when brought in front of congress, half of the most highly regarded people assigned to medical posts in the current administration could not properly state what a woman was.... this thread could go on for ever.
Now if it's a smoking hot chick with an untampered vagina (no adams apple, no spare appendages, no surgeries ), nice rack, and a gorgeous face, but she feels like a bit of a snowflake that day and wants to identify as a dude sucking another dudes cock..... well then sign me up as a yes.... lol
Now if it's a smoking hot chick with an untampered vagina (no adams apple, no spare appendages, no surgeries ), nice rack, and a gorgeous face, but she feels like a bit of a snowflake that day and wants to identify as a dude sucking another dudes cock..... well then sign me up as a yes.... lol
It's not so simple, especially for guys. Here's a meta-study you should read
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604861/
If a guy is eyeing me or even tries to flirt, no reason to be offended. I'm flattered like I might be by an ugly woman who I'd never be attracted to or want to fuck. I've had many occasions over the years to casually have sex of one type or another with a dude, but I was never tempted and never tried. I don't know how I'd feel in prison or the navy.
I can admire a dude's body or face like the way I might a car or building. I know from comparing notes with women that the men I think would be super attractive to women are often judged to be "Eh", but OTOH there are guys women tell me "OMG he's so hot ..." and I don't get it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604861/
If a guy is eyeing me or even tries to flirt, no reason to be offended. I'm flattered like I might be by an ugly woman who I'd never be attracted to or want to fuck. I've had many occasions over the years to casually have sex of one type or another with a dude, but I was never tempted and never tried. I don't know how I'd feel in prison or the navy.
I can admire a dude's body or face like the way I might a car or building. I know from comparing notes with women that the men I think would be super attractive to women are often judged to be "Eh", but OTOH there are guys women tell me "OMG he's so hot ..." and I don't get it.
Funny I was at an AMP once and this new gal with a small top was giving me the best BBBJ ever. She still had her thong on and I got a bad feeling... Like wow, she is sucking so good it is like she has a cock! I stopped her pulled her panties down and had to inspect things down there. She was 100% all woman!
What do you mean by "not so simple"? Because acknowledging that the spectrum runs from 0/100 to 100/0 is about as broad a postulate as there is. Much more importantly, that meta-analysis doesn't seem to address the issue at all. Instead, it's exclusively about the way our eyes correspond to our sexual interests, which, apparently, varies substantially as between genders. So what? That says absolutely nothing about the range of heterosexuality and homosexuality. There are also olfactory differences between the genders that play an important role in sexual attraction, but much more so for females than males. (Just Google "MHC genes" + "t-shirts" + "box" + "odor" to find the original study on that, which I believe dates back to 1996. I stand by my original statement 100% that human sexual attracttion runs from 100% heterosexual to 100% homosexual, with 50/50 bisexual representing the exact middle of that spectrum.
I disagree. It's fuckin' rude for a gay guy to ogle a guy who presents no objective basis for any assumption that he's not straight, and for the exact same reason that I've argued here, plenty of times, that it's fuckin' rude for guys to stare at women in public the way many guys do. Then again, my feelings about that are very different from many (or most) guys who think it's perfectly fine to stare at women in public with obvious sexual interest. Basically, you shouldn't stare or look at any woman in public, just because you can, any longer or more obviously than you would if her 6'6' 275-lb jacked boyfriend were standing right next to her and were aware of your staring at her.
Again, I disagree, because this is exactly what I referenced earlier in this thread: I have nothing pejorative to say about anybody's sexual preference and I have no problem with gay people. However, IMO, if you genuinely "don't know" how you'd feel in prison or in the Navy, you might not be 100% heterosexual. That's because I think anybody who is genuinely 100% straight absolutely does know, and with certainty, that he could be locked up for decades in a prison with nothing but male models as all of the other prisoners, and the idea of even considering wanting sexual contact with any male remains as repulsive on Day 10,000 as it was on Day 1.
In my 20s, when I was in my physical prime and in law school, I went a year or more without any sex several times just because I'm very picky about potential girlfriends and I erred (way too much, in retrospect) on the side of avoiding banging any of the (many) girls I could have, and quite easily, because I knew I wasn't interested in them for more than a few fucks and I just didn't think it was morally right to take advantage of the fact that they seemed to really like me. Meanwhile, it was often a year or more in between opportunities to date a girl in whom I might have had enough of a potential interest that I didn't have to worry about that. At the same time, I was always in a gym environment and, in NYC, all the best gyms at that time had a significant proportion of gay males, many of whom looked like I only wish I could ever have looked. The thought of sex with any guy would never have even crossed my mind. At the same time, I had no problem interacting politely with guys I knew to be gay, as long as I didn't pick up any overt signs of "interest" from them. Once in a while if a gay guy did "leak" sexual energy of any kind or degree in my direction (some of which we perceive subconsciously, such as the pupilary dilation discussed in your meta-analysis), it annoyed the fuck outta me and I either stopped interacting with the guy immediately or I told him that I wasn't homophobic, but I didn't want him talking to me "that way" or staring at me the way guys typically stare at chicks or we were going to have a fucking problem. Not because I'm homophobic, but because I think it's rude and I didn't do that to women for precisely that reason. I don't give a shit if a dude fantasizes about me outside of my presence, but I never appreciated dudes staring at me or trying to fucking "flirt" with me.
I disagree. It's fuckin' rude for a gay guy to ogle a guy who presents no objective basis for any assumption that he's not straight, and for the exact same reason that I've argued here, plenty of times, that it's fuckin' rude for guys to stare at women in public the way many guys do. Then again, my feelings about that are very different from many (or most) guys who think it's perfectly fine to stare at women in public with obvious sexual interest. Basically, you shouldn't stare or look at any woman in public, just because you can, any longer or more obviously than you would if her 6'6' 275-lb jacked boyfriend were standing right next to her and were aware of your staring at her.
Again, I disagree, because this is exactly what I referenced earlier in this thread: I have nothing pejorative to say about anybody's sexual preference and I have no problem with gay people. However, IMO, if you genuinely "don't know" how you'd feel in prison or in the Navy, you might not be 100% heterosexual. That's because I think anybody who is genuinely 100% straight absolutely does know, and with certainty, that he could be locked up for decades in a prison with nothing but male models as all of the other prisoners, and the idea of even considering wanting sexual contact with any male remains as repulsive on Day 10,000 as it was on Day 1.
In my 20s, when I was in my physical prime and in law school, I went a year or more without any sex several times just because I'm very picky about potential girlfriends and I erred (way too much, in retrospect) on the side of avoiding banging any of the (many) girls I could have, and quite easily, because I knew I wasn't interested in them for more than a few fucks and I just didn't think it was morally right to take advantage of the fact that they seemed to really like me. Meanwhile, it was often a year or more in between opportunities to date a girl in whom I might have had enough of a potential interest that I didn't have to worry about that. At the same time, I was always in a gym environment and, in NYC, all the best gyms at that time had a significant proportion of gay males, many of whom looked like I only wish I could ever have looked. The thought of sex with any guy would never have even crossed my mind. At the same time, I had no problem interacting politely with guys I knew to be gay, as long as I didn't pick up any overt signs of "interest" from them. Once in a while if a gay guy did "leak" sexual energy of any kind or degree in my direction (some of which we perceive subconsciously, such as the pupilary dilation discussed in your meta-analysis), it annoyed the fuck outta me and I either stopped interacting with the guy immediately or I told him that I wasn't homophobic, but I didn't want him talking to me "that way" or staring at me the way guys typically stare at chicks or we were going to have a fucking problem. Not because I'm homophobic, but because I think it's rude and I didn't do that to women for precisely that reason. I don't give a shit if a dude fantasizes about me outside of my presence, but I never appreciated dudes staring at me or trying to fucking "flirt" with me.
I agree; but I’d say for me; I knew I liked men before I knew I liked women. So I knew I was “gay” and it took a long time for me to not bow to society pressure that the straight part is just a lie. So like I was highly attracted to Madonna in the movie Dick Tracey as a kid. She gave me a hard on that would last for hours. So in my mind it was like “is this a lie?” It took awhile before I finally admitted that I was actually Bi and not gay. Because as tisker did…. I had so many people trying to convince me that the straight part was a lie. But it’s not!!
I will keep this simple. Yeah, why not? It's just a blowjob or a handjob. And if he wants to fuck me (with a condom) why not? When I go and get a massage I want to lie there and be serviced and taken care of. I don't want to do any work. Maybe because of my age now (60's) I am more accepting as this is something I would never have though of when I was in my 20's, but why the heck not. I have no interest in fucking or blowing a guy (that crosses the line for me) but if I can get a good massage and be taken care of with alot of teasing, who cares who does it. Doesn't mean I am gay or bi or anything, just means I like having my body feel pleasure. It's really simple. Now, that being said, I am not looking for it, but if I went to an amp and I guy walked in I would be ok with it just to see what it was like. I can always say no.
I’m sorry, but this is delusional and it completely contradicts what you said earlier in the same post about having come to accept your sexual orientation. If you can derive sexual pleasure to any degree from a man (knowing it’s a man), that means you’re bisexual and there’s no way around that, by “simple” definition. That’s perfectly fine and I couldn’t care less what anybody’s sexual orientation is; but you are most definitely bisexual.
Trust me that completely straight men cannot enjoy any kind of sexual contact with other men, no matter how handsome or skilled they might be, since they own the same equipment. It’s got nothing to do with what it might “feel” like and I have no doubt that most gay men probably give head as well as any woman. Doesn’t matter at all what it might “feel” like since a mouth and tongue is a mouth and tongue, regardless of whose mouth it is. Anybody who is anything other than 100% heterosexual couldn’t ever know this, which is also the reason you could make that argument and it’s why so many bisexuals experience “confusion” in relation to their sexual preference at some point in life. Any man who could ever get hard or (especially) bust a nut from another man’s touch is something other than 100% straight.
Likewise, your “lines” distinguishing receptive anal sex from insertive anal sex are irrelevant except as they define what you might and might not be interested in doing. .Just as many (if not more) bisexual guys would draw their “line” exactly opposite, because it’s not about “lines” as though there’s some universal scale of gay acts. Genuinely (completely) heterosexual males would be creeped the fuck out at the thought of doing anything sexual with another man, whether holding hands, kissing, or fucking. What specific sexual acts you’d be open to and what specific acts you’d refrain from with another guy is totally irrelevant to the issue and requires no explanation. You just enjoy your life and your sex and do you and don’t worry about “definitions.” There’s no specific sexual act that makes someone bisexual, but if you can derive sexual pleasure from any sexual act with someone of the same gender, you’re bisexual, by definition. That’s fine.
As I said earlier in this thread, I’m not the least bit homophobic and I’d probably let a guy blow me or blow another dude for enough money, because I’m totally secure in my masculinity and in my heterosexuality, and it would be just doing something that I found completely disgusting for enough (life-changing) money, just like eating a plate of shit. I think any straight guy would say the same if he’s (1) being totally honest, and (2) not afraid it “means” he’s gay. Much more importantly, as it relates specifically to your argument, you could give me (literally) a billion dollars and I’d still be unable to get hard blowing a dude or get hard myself with another dude blowing me, because I genuinely consider any kind of sexual contact with any man disgusting, just as I’m disgusted by the thought of eating a live giant water bug.
Trust me that completely straight men cannot enjoy any kind of sexual contact with other men, no matter how handsome or skilled they might be, since they own the same equipment. It’s got nothing to do with what it might “feel” like and I have no doubt that most gay men probably give head as well as any woman. Doesn’t matter at all what it might “feel” like since a mouth and tongue is a mouth and tongue, regardless of whose mouth it is. Anybody who is anything other than 100% heterosexual couldn’t ever know this, which is also the reason you could make that argument and it’s why so many bisexuals experience “confusion” in relation to their sexual preference at some point in life. Any man who could ever get hard or (especially) bust a nut from another man’s touch is something other than 100% straight.
Likewise, your “lines” distinguishing receptive anal sex from insertive anal sex are irrelevant except as they define what you might and might not be interested in doing. .Just as many (if not more) bisexual guys would draw their “line” exactly opposite, because it’s not about “lines” as though there’s some universal scale of gay acts. Genuinely (completely) heterosexual males would be creeped the fuck out at the thought of doing anything sexual with another man, whether holding hands, kissing, or fucking. What specific sexual acts you’d be open to and what specific acts you’d refrain from with another guy is totally irrelevant to the issue and requires no explanation. You just enjoy your life and your sex and do you and don’t worry about “definitions.” There’s no specific sexual act that makes someone bisexual, but if you can derive sexual pleasure from any sexual act with someone of the same gender, you’re bisexual, by definition. That’s fine.
As I said earlier in this thread, I’m not the least bit homophobic and I’d probably let a guy blow me or blow another dude for enough money, because I’m totally secure in my masculinity and in my heterosexuality, and it would be just doing something that I found completely disgusting for enough (life-changing) money, just like eating a plate of shit. I think any straight guy would say the same if he’s (1) being totally honest, and (2) not afraid it “means” he’s gay. Much more importantly, as it relates specifically to your argument, you could give me (literally) a billion dollars and I’d still be unable to get hard blowing a dude or get hard myself with another dude blowing me, because I genuinely consider any kind of sexual contact with any man disgusting, just as I’m disgusted by the thought of eating a live giant water bug.