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Desires of New York (DONY)

bor3dmonk3y

bor3dmonk3y

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#121
Zzzz said:
A lot of these observations are merely memorable anecdotes and the related arguments tend to be oversimplifications of reality.
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Yup, I like him along with other youtubers and shit-talkers in the manosphere/mgtow/trp, but "oversimplifications of reality" does sum it up. I try not to embrace the truth, more like keep a new truth at an arm's distance, go on a walk-and-talk with it, figure it out and see how I can apply it in my lifestyle and goals.
 
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nycdude

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#122
Zippy17 said:
Slim, if you want to discuss it or make an counterargument, I don't mind discussing it, but referring me to your previous posts where you simply posted the same (or a similar) opinion unsupported by any rational objective argument isn't the way intelligent people discuss or debate abstract moral issues.

All I said originally, and in the context of referring to a specific provider as a very nice girl, was that these girls aren't doing anything morally wrong or shameful and neither are the guys for seeing them. You responded with something along the lines of "WTF?" and now you've changed the topic (again) to whether or not males and females are exactly the same in every conceivable way (which nobody suggested) and you seem to be repeatedly expressing a lot of personal feelings and a consistent theme of resentment toward women about all the reasons women have, apparently, rejected or passed judgment on you in your life. That's not an objective argument; it's actually evidence of a completely biased inability to approach the issue objectively.

We should probably drop the topic before it becomes unpleasant, but my only point (and the only point to address directly if you really insist on continuing this conversation) is that a person's gender can't possible be a rational justification for whether or not a specific type of behavior (i.e. promiscuity) defines someone as a moral or immoral person. Your unsupported personal opinion of how and why men and women "judge" one another isn't relevant to that discussion. You're entitled to whatever opinions you hold and to whatever rationalizations you use to come to your opinions; but I'm not interested in discussing personal opinions about an abstract objective issue, nor am I interested in trying to have that kind of discussion with someone who doesn't understand the difference between opinions and objective arguments or who can't discuss a specific proposition without changing the topic to totally different topics. Peace.
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Providers and customers are viewed differently not only because of male vs. female but also because of volume and choice of who they are having sex with.

A more apples to apples comparison is sugar babies and sugar daddies.
 
Uniquelyme

Uniquelyme

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Zippy17 said:
No, not a white knight, whatsoever. I've just never agreed with or respected anybody who buys into the gender-based sexual morality double standard, at all, and that predates my first experience in this industry by a long shot. I wrote a whole book about it, in fact. If fucking 200 girls doesn't define you negatively as a person, then fucking 200 guys doesn't define the girls negatively, either. I don't think personal sexual choices are moral issues and I think it's impossible to justify maintaining a different moral standard for, essentially, the exact same behavior, just based on what gender someone happens to be. I don't give a flying fuck how many guys a girl has fucked; if she's a nice sweet girl, she's (still) a nice sweet girl. Conversely, I think there are plenty of virgins (or lifelong monogamous women) who are disgusting human beings for shit they do totally outside of the sexual realm.
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Lol.
 
AutomaticSlim

AutomaticSlim

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#126
jfox987 said:
always paranoid the front desk clerk will stop me and ask what room/name of guest I am going to.
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Guys, I've never had a problem at any hotel, and I've probably been to over 100 of them.
Just dress well and act like you belong there.
Really, it's not that big of a deal.
The front desk staff usually says "hello sir" to me.
 
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Zippy17

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nycdude said:
Providers and customers are viewed differently not only because of male vs. female but also because of volume and choice of who they are having sex with. A more apples to apples comparison is sugar babies and sugar daddies.
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Negative. I never said anything about comparing providers and customers; that was other people who chose to discuss different issues instead of the issue that I raised. All I said was that sexual promiscuity and chastity don't define morality and that to whatever extent one believes that they do define (or determine) the morality of any person, it's impossible to rationally justify a different set of moral rules or standards for different people based on what gender they happen to be.
 
Therespectfulman

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#129
Zippy17 said:
Slim, if you want to discuss it or make an counterargument, I don't mind discussing it, but referring me to your previous posts where you simply posted the same (or a similar) opinion unsupported by any rational objective argument isn't the way intelligent people discuss or debate abstract moral issues.

All I said originally, and in the context of referring to a specific provider as a very nice girl, was that these girls aren't doing anything morally wrong or shameful and neither are the guys for seeing them. You responded with something along the lines of "WTF?" and now you've changed the topic (again) to whether or not males and females are exactly the same in every conceivable way (which nobody suggested) and you seem to be repeatedly expressing a lot of personal feelings and a consistent theme of resentment toward women about all the reasons women have, apparently, rejected or passed judgment on you in your life. That's not an objective argument; it's actually evidence of a completely biased inability to approach the issue objectively.

We should probably drop the topic before it becomes unpleasant, but my only point (and the only point to address directly if you really insist on continuing this conversation) is that a person's gender can't possible be a rational justification for whether or not a specific type of behavior (i.e. promiscuity) defines someone as a moral or immoral person. Your unsupported personal opinion of how and why men and women "judge" one another isn't relevant to that discussion. You're entitled to whatever opinions you hold and to whatever rationalizations you use to come to your opinions; but I'm not interested in discussing personal opinions about an abstract objective issue, nor am I interested in trying to have that kind of discussion with someone who doesn't understand the difference between opinions and objective arguments or who can't discuss a specific proposition without changing the topic to totally different topics. Peace.
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I agree with this. If a woman being with alot of men makes you uncomfortable, that is your right to feel that way and you don't have to date them. It personally makes me uncomfortable, so when considering a woman for a long term relationship Im looking for someone more wholesome. But you dont have to put her down for it, because it is also her right as a human being to be with whoever she wants. Let her be.

Basically live and let live, mind ya business and focus on yourself.
 
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david77

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#131
jfox987 said:
always paranoid the front desk clerk will stop me and ask what room/name of guest I am going to.
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I always hold the phone to my ears, and talk on the phone, while walking in, in most cases , even if the clerk is the type that tries to stop you, they understand it is not polite to ask me any questions while I am on the phone, sometimes I will have somebody on the other line that I talk to, and sometimes it is just me talking to myself.
 
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Zippy17

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NewytG said:
Can you guys please take this whole conversation somewhere outside the DONY thread? You've completely derailed this topic and you should have realized that 15 posts ago.
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I didn't intend to derail the conversation. Someone asked about the DONY hotels and someone else commented about enjoying the sneaking around part while doing something "so very wrong" and I simply responded that I didn't consider this to be something "oh-so-very-wrong" for either the clients or for the girls. That wasn't intended to derail anything and I didn't realize it would be so inflammatory here to suggest that some of these providers can (still) be genuinely nice girls, notwithstanding what society at large thinks about this hobby in which everyone reading these posts participates.
 
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