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Detailed Affidavit From FED Bust
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In the past, many Korean amps and escort agencies would pay someone to manage the list of clients but many of them would take them and sell it to other amps and agencies.
I’m sure James Lee and the two others had a very good list of rich and powerful clients so they didn’t want to risk it and instead, managed it themselves.
I’m sure James Lee and the two others had a very good list of rich and powerful clients so they didn’t want to risk it and instead, managed it themselves.
Another victimless crime being prosecuted. How have we gotten to this point gentlemen.
I can't imagine the number of lawyers and politicians hitting this agency in VA?
Is this a fishing expedition for bribe bait?
Is this just the next level of attack on masculinity?
This is just another wrinkle we have to deal with in this hobby.
I can't imagine the number of lawyers and politicians hitting this agency in VA?
Is this a fishing expedition for bribe bait?
Is this just the next level of attack on masculinity?
This is just another wrinkle we have to deal with in this hobby.
It would be justified if the Chinese intelligence were behind this AND compromising high profile clients for espionage purposes. If the client list was indeed senior government officials, military officers, and tech executives then I could see it. That is what the The Rolling Stone article implies.
But who really knows? It could well be that it was just a setup to make money for the owners (as nearly all AMPs are) and nothing more. Indeed, the AMP girls I've run into have never asked anything that would lead me to believe they were working for anyone but themselves. For them, it is just about the money.
However, if I put myself in the place of the FBI and found out this was going on with highly placed people in the defense/government/tech, it would make total sense to get to the bottom of it and find out if national security was being jeopardized.
It surprises me that these "senior" guys were forking over their ID credentials to use this service. Just goes to show the extent to which their dicks controlled their brains. It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, gets busted as a result of this. Or if any of the owners "commit suicide" in prison (like Epstein did).
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/
But who really knows? It could well be that it was just a setup to make money for the owners (as nearly all AMPs are) and nothing more. Indeed, the AMP girls I've run into have never asked anything that would lead me to believe they were working for anyone but themselves. For them, it is just about the money.
However, if I put myself in the place of the FBI and found out this was going on with highly placed people in the defense/government/tech, it would make total sense to get to the bottom of it and find out if national security was being jeopardized.
It surprises me that these "senior" guys were forking over their ID credentials to use this service. Just goes to show the extent to which their dicks controlled their brains. It will be interesting to see who, if anyone, gets busted as a result of this. Or if any of the owners "commit suicide" in prison (like Epstein did).
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/feds-bust-high-end-bothel-1234873115/
… There’s always another agenda when it comes to busts like this..what it is may or may not come to light ultimately .. but I think that that the Authorities have opened a can of worms or perhaps a Pandora’s box that might lead to some clarity legally on personal freedom, “consent”ing adults, premarital agreements, contract law...
… the “outed” Clients are In many cases powerful people and can afford top notch legal representation.. this can be troublesome for the Prosecution if this ever goes to Trial… they are up against the best and can’t afford any missteps in court.. on Appeals this could and wind up in the Supreme Court.. Wouldn’t that a bitch.. lol…
.. it’s time for an honest discussion on our Puritanical Rules and Regulations and the realities of life that we all share..and this Case may be a beginning.. let’s hope..
Xooz
… the “outed” Clients are In many cases powerful people and can afford top notch legal representation.. this can be troublesome for the Prosecution if this ever goes to Trial… they are up against the best and can’t afford any missteps in court.. on Appeals this could and wind up in the Supreme Court.. Wouldn’t that a bitch.. lol…
.. it’s time for an honest discussion on our Puritanical Rules and Regulations and the realities of life that we all share..and this Case may be a beginning.. let’s hope..
Xooz
This has nothing to do with Chinese or any foreign intelligence.
Three very stupid and irresponsible Koreans used faked IDs to take over $500K Covid funds and deposited over $750K in cash into a checking account which is a red flag. Once they saw that they were in the sex business, the feds wanted to make an example out of them.
And the so-called “high level” list is also overblown by the media. Overblown stories always sells.
Two weeks later, the media will be talking about which free agent the Yankees and Mets should go after.
Three very stupid and irresponsible Koreans used faked IDs to take over $500K Covid funds and deposited over $750K in cash into a checking account which is a red flag. Once they saw that they were in the sex business, the feds wanted to make an example out of them.
And the so-called “high level” list is also overblown by the media. Overblown stories always sells.
Two weeks later, the media will be talking about which free agent the Yankees and Mets should go after.
For me, this is 100% the important part of this article. I have security clearance, have had for now 28 years, and the rules of this program, especially the segmented and compartmentalized programs, are explicit and there is no grey areas in this rule. For at least half of the time I had clearance, the rules were more than half of them punishable by life in prison and maybe 10% were punishable by the death penalty. In our training, these are outlined clearly and we sign that we understand and agree to the terms. It is not an accident that anyone used their secured credentials improperly, they know what these are supposed to be for and what they are not supposed to be for, and when they are to be removed from their place and when they are not. Also, they know the consequences to the security programs as well as to their careers and personal freedom and liberty. BUT, since the penalties have been eroded to the point where I am fairly certain I could take secured photographs and blow them up on a billboard and pay with my own name to have them put up, with a six month lease, say on the Atlantic City Expressway for millions to see, and the worst I'd get is a coffee and tea visit from FBI.
THE SAME CREDENTIALS THEY USE TO ENTER THE PENTAGON WERE EMAILED TO HOOKERS, CHINESE HOOKERS! Why are they not in prison today?
The government gravy train has become such that there is no serious consequence for anything, and this is very bad for the rest of us who actually DO follow the rules, and for those of us who fund the whole thing, and whose economic results and non-murdered results hinge on the proper use of security clearance. Really, these guys who used Federal Identification for this ought to be hung from a tree in Arlington. The Federal code USED TO say this, but today, as I mentioned, they might get a "really stern talking to", and have a "letter" put in their file. In other words, nothing.
Also, to your first point about Chinese intelligence. My career in Army was in Intelligence, at least half of that period was in counterintelligence, and I can be clear that the book has entire lessons about setting up just such an operation; we used to do similar social programming for military and political leaders in Serbia to get them to be executed or arrested by their own men, to take them off the battlefield without us having to fire a shot. No reason to think that Chinese intelligence isn't involved, but for me it's more likely just some AMP folks doing AMP folks stuff and the whole thing getting the lid blown off because the customers were not Tom Dick and Harry, but General Tom and Colonel Dick and Undersecretary Harry.
THE SAME CREDENTIALS THEY USE TO ENTER THE PENTAGON WERE EMAILED TO HOOKERS, CHINESE HOOKERS! Why are they not in prison today?
The government gravy train has become such that there is no serious consequence for anything, and this is very bad for the rest of us who actually DO follow the rules, and for those of us who fund the whole thing, and whose economic results and non-murdered results hinge on the proper use of security clearance. Really, these guys who used Federal Identification for this ought to be hung from a tree in Arlington. The Federal code USED TO say this, but today, as I mentioned, they might get a "really stern talking to", and have a "letter" put in their file. In other words, nothing.
Also, to your first point about Chinese intelligence. My career in Army was in Intelligence, at least half of that period was in counterintelligence, and I can be clear that the book has entire lessons about setting up just such an operation; we used to do similar social programming for military and political leaders in Serbia to get them to be executed or arrested by their own men, to take them off the battlefield without us having to fire a shot. No reason to think that Chinese intelligence isn't involved, but for me it's more likely just some AMP folks doing AMP folks stuff and the whole thing getting the lid blown off because the customers were not Tom Dick and Harry, but General Tom and Colonel Dick and Undersecretary Harry.
Hopefully it does start a ball rolling. I mean, who better to push the ball then those whose ball it is in the first place? An entire class of men, powerful men, generals, secretaries, executives, who the fsck else has the power and ability to make a thing happen tomorrow? If ten of the fortune 100 executives decided today that all people would need to be wearing green cardigans tomorrow, if you don't believe it would be so by next week you are kidding yourself. Remember 2020 and all the various things that happened then, because the feudal lords wanted it to happen? Remember when companies decided, with shareholder dollars, that if congress was not going to ban "black guns" they would just take them off their own shelves and stop selling them? If all the men swept up in this thing were to assemble and demand that prostitution be legalized, that wives who did not like it would be locked up in concentration camps, that government would set price floors and ceilings for services, then it would be so tomorrow, period. BUT THEY WON'T, because despite their role and their status, they are still cucks and pussies. They may pretend to be tough, but they would never stand up for what they believe in. I know men like this and dealt with men like this in my military and now my business careers, and they are absolutely nothing when faced with personal destruction. Real men, men like our founding fathers, they risked being hung and risked their personal fortunes to fight the most powerful military the world had ever seen to that point. These dudes got caught walking out of an apartment building and melted like a cup of snow on a windowsill.
It IS time for a discussion of all the things related, but these men will cower, and already have, given they are the ones who provided detailed information to investigators under penalty of having their picture in the paper. Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box, in this order, every time. For real, if people who are pro-legalization were to follow the game plan of both the gays and the pro-marijuana folks, it could be done by next year no problem. See the counterintelligence operations that got those things done. It was done the stupid way for decades, then as soon as the counterintel got involved, and the cultural programming started, these went from jailable things to things you can do on TV and which people previously opposed now will march in the streets to promote. Follow the gameplan that already worked. No need to count on cowards in Versailles to ever do anything for anybody but themselves.
It IS time for a discussion of all the things related, but these men will cower, and already have, given they are the ones who provided detailed information to investigators under penalty of having their picture in the paper. Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box, in this order, every time. For real, if people who are pro-legalization were to follow the game plan of both the gays and the pro-marijuana folks, it could be done by next year no problem. See the counterintelligence operations that got those things done. It was done the stupid way for decades, then as soon as the counterintel got involved, and the cultural programming started, these went from jailable things to things you can do on TV and which people previously opposed now will march in the streets to promote. Follow the gameplan that already worked. No need to count on cowards in Versailles to ever do anything for anybody but themselves.
James Lee stole over $500K in Covid funds using fake identities and deposited $750K in cash into his checking account. That’s more than enough to get him arrested and hope he gets prosecuted to the fullest extent.
As for the list of clients, I’m sure it’s just small potatoes.
The FBI is teasing the media, the media is teasing the public, and the public is teasing each other.
As for the list of clients, I’m sure it’s just small potatoes.
The FBI is teasing the media, the media is teasing the public, and the public is teasing each other.
Will not argue with you why the fed started a case. Will they just ignore the pot of gold in front of them? You should realize the Government legal system and the private legal system is a revolving door. Lawyers are walking in and out of each others offices regularly. I personally cannot imagine the amount of money that could be generated from just calling up every phone number and having them come in for questioning.
LE might even be getting a 20% kickback from all the billable hours.
LE might even be getting a 20% kickback from all the billable hours.
It could be about control IMO, what I mean is someone is caught red handed, they know they’re fooked if it comes to light, they are now more useful to officials instead of outright outing them as long as they cooperate. It’s how criminals/gangs operate. You want into a gang for example, it’s not like what is portrayed in the movies getting jumped in by members, punched, kicked etc. You instead are taken out to commit a serious felony against a random civilian, your prints are all over the weapon, stored and a video is taken. It’s why there’s no way out but one. The people whose info was discovered have already committed their crimes.
Now it’s play or pay, your choice.
Now it’s play or pay, your choice.
Federal LE don't normally get involved in petty crime like men using prostitutes. They will use that man, like in this case, to get freebie evidence to book the prostitute, her handlers, her owner, and so on, since "human trafficking" is gold in the LE budget padding industry the last three fiscal years. But would the feds prosecute a bunch of dudes for fucking whores? Doubt it. They MIGHT turn that data over to the local PD, but there is a huge pissing war between fed and local, I highly doubt this info goes anywhere except in the back pocket of the case manager for use in the future when he may like a promotion or one of those awesome no-work jobs so prevalent in Versailles.
The Feds can charge nearly anyone with a crime if they put their mind to it. Did you lie to a Federal agent? That's a felony, even if it's a white lie about actions you engaged with a prostitute (her word against yours). Did you use a phone in the commission of your "crime"? That's wire fraud. Did you give the girl a ride from NY to NJ (just to be a nice guy)? That's a Mann Act violation. And that's just scratching the surface of how badly they can fuck you.
In general, if LE (at any level) asks you anything about a crime you didn't report, it's best to STFU.
In general, if LE (at any level) asks you anything about a crime you didn't report, it's best to STFU.
like frogs slowly being boiled alive, we've effectively given the govt the power to destroy anybody if they feel like it. I never understood the whole wire fraud thing...seems like in modern life, everybody in the country can be put in jail for things they do on a daily basis if the govt felt like it.
For sure the specific guys in this story, the ones who used "work identification" (DoD ID, Pentagon ID, Military ID, Executive Branch ID) for verifying at this agency, they should be imprisoned forever, as this is a listed and specific federal crime which is treacherous. But I was getting at the thought that regular folks who might be in the agency's lists or whatever, I don't see Feds getting involved.
Absolutely there are plenty of laws, such as the ones you listed, through which we've empowered our betters there in DC to imprison us for mostly anything or nothing, at their sole discretion. People vote for shit or even worse demand shit without thinking it through, then whine when they're sitting in prison for an adjacency crime or some process violation. What ever happened to government managing military, border, sovereignty, highways, courts, and public works? Not much else that "only" the Feds can do, but we are so lazy or powerless or scared to do any of the other things ourselves, so we "give" this power to them and of course it never comes back. We don't milk a cow, to get a quart of milk, we pay a percentage of our earnings getting milked by someone else; we don't kill a cow, cut and quarter all our meat, someone does it for us: keeps the blood off our feet! Most of the Executive Branch Departments are redundant copies of state or local departments, and most don't do anything of value that can't be done by individuals or charities. But again, we are where we are, because we allow it, even worse demand it. Our French friend de Tocqueville suggested on seeing the glories of our new Democracy, that Democracy will live until people find out they can gift themselves gifts from the Treasury, and that Democracy will be followed by Dictatorship, which the people will demand. Not too far away now.
Absolutely there are plenty of laws, such as the ones you listed, through which we've empowered our betters there in DC to imprison us for mostly anything or nothing, at their sole discretion. People vote for shit or even worse demand shit without thinking it through, then whine when they're sitting in prison for an adjacency crime or some process violation. What ever happened to government managing military, border, sovereignty, highways, courts, and public works? Not much else that "only" the Feds can do, but we are so lazy or powerless or scared to do any of the other things ourselves, so we "give" this power to them and of course it never comes back. We don't milk a cow, to get a quart of milk, we pay a percentage of our earnings getting milked by someone else; we don't kill a cow, cut and quarter all our meat, someone does it for us: keeps the blood off our feet! Most of the Executive Branch Departments are redundant copies of state or local departments, and most don't do anything of value that can't be done by individuals or charities. But again, we are where we are, because we allow it, even worse demand it. Our French friend de Tocqueville suggested on seeing the glories of our new Democracy, that Democracy will live until people find out they can gift themselves gifts from the Treasury, and that Democracy will be followed by Dictatorship, which the people will demand. Not too far away now.
Unless you are very wealthy ($25M+), if the Feds go after you, you are done. The only real purpose a lawyer would serve is to plead down your case to where you do 2-3 years in a Club-Fed type prison (which is still a prison); and hopefully, you are out in half that time due to good behavior. Even if you are top 3% upper middle class, you will simply not have the resources to fight the Federal government. They will bankrupt you and then you will get a public defender who will hold your hand during your plea deal. That's about it. The only exception to that is if you commit a crime so horrific that everyone is watching your trial. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. McVeigh was guilty and deserved death (IMHO), but he did have excellent legal representation because it was such a high profile trial.