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I need to vent about women
- Thread starter Curiousgeorge87
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It is gaslighting. You are telling me not to believe my own eyes. You are still doing it.
I am 42 years old, decent looking, tall, in good shape, own a house, have a decent job.
I am invisible to women. There are quite literally no options except paid ones. Nothing. Zero. Nada. It’s not even close. If I come across a woman I could potentially date maybe once a year- that would be a lot.
I am 42 years old, decent looking, tall, in good shape, own a house, have a decent job.
I am invisible to women. There are quite literally no options except paid ones. Nothing. Zero. Nada. It’s not even close. If I come across a woman I could potentially date maybe once a year- that would be a lot.
Maybe, like me, women can sense the overwhelming whiff of grievance, entitlement & resentment you give off. You may have the equivalent repellence towards woman that the purple haired, metal shit on face, multi-hued child welfare pseudo-feminist mothers give off to us. The “only reason I’m not an incel is because I pay for it” vibe isn’t really attractive. Just sayin’ seems apparent it’s a “you” problem not a “societal” problem.
He's not trolling (at least not in this thread), and he does make some good points, whether you agree or disagree.
That said, @Redrain, please don't resort to name calling or otherwise make assumptions about others, and keep it civil. It IS possible to present an opinion in a non-attacking way, as well as agreeing to disagree. Thanks.
That said, @Redrain, please don't resort to name calling or otherwise make assumptions about others, and keep it civil. It IS possible to present an opinion in a non-attacking way, as well as agreeing to disagree. Thanks.
While I didn't read every single post in the thread, and though I'd be making assumptions without knowing you or what your experience has been like, I can't imagine you can only run into just one woman you can potentially date in a year and that your options are zero. Perhaps it's your personal preferences that makes the potential pool very small? And so, let's look at your predicament in an analytical way.
Based on your one review, I assume you're based in Delaware near Wilmington? No idea about that city or state but I just looked up the population of Wilmington, and it's 71,500. Further demographic breakdowns are that 29.8% are between the ages of 25-44 years old (21,307 total people), 53.5% female (11,399 of the 21,307 total people 25-44 are female).
I don't know your racial preference, but Wilmington is 34.4% is Caucasian, and 53.7% African-American. So let's say for argument's sake that you prefer white women, and that leaves you with just 3,921 Caucasian women between the ages of 25-44. Then another 23.5% of the total population are married couples living together, so that erases another 921 women, leaving you with 3,000 white women. Then take away ones that are not married but are in relationships (I don't have stats for that, but let's say it's a third), so your available pool is now 2,000 women.
Then you take away the unattractive ones or the obese ones or the unmotivated, dead-end job ones, or whatever else your preferences are, and you're left with a pool of just 660 potential women (weeding out two-thirds of 2,000). Man, that's a very small pool. In other words, moved out of Delaware!
Seriously though, there was a recent NYT magazine article about online dating for folks over 50 (not that you are close to that age) from a female perspective...I don't want to link the article here since this is a public discussion, but search for it (online dating after 50 can be miserable) and it's pretty interesting. You might have to expand your geographical reach to neighboring cities and states to expand your pool, as the article suggests.
It's difficult, no doubt. It's a major, MAJOR life decision that many folks don't consider as seriously as they should...some people spend more effort and time on lots of other, much less meaningful things than choosing their life partner. Probably because when emotions are involved, especially in the honeymoon phase, people don't think clearly and throw caution to the wind and leave it to "fate", when they should be much more rational.
Spending your life with someone else is not about the intense infatuation and desire and butterflies in the stomach feelings in the beginning...it's about eating a meal with that person for the 9,000th time and still having something to talk about. It's about being so comfortable with someone that you don't even need to talk and can sit in silence without getting bored. Enjoying each other's company and companionship. Things like that...not the amazing, wild sex that you used to have when you first started dating.
Again, it's not easy to find that and I'm sure many of the guys in this thread haven't come across someone that they WANT to do this with, but those who are fortunate enough, and worked hard at it (because finding a mate IS a lot of hard work) are generally in happy marriages. Even those who stray with providers, for whatever reason(s).
Based on your one review, I assume you're based in Delaware near Wilmington? No idea about that city or state but I just looked up the population of Wilmington, and it's 71,500. Further demographic breakdowns are that 29.8% are between the ages of 25-44 years old (21,307 total people), 53.5% female (11,399 of the 21,307 total people 25-44 are female).
I don't know your racial preference, but Wilmington is 34.4% is Caucasian, and 53.7% African-American. So let's say for argument's sake that you prefer white women, and that leaves you with just 3,921 Caucasian women between the ages of 25-44. Then another 23.5% of the total population are married couples living together, so that erases another 921 women, leaving you with 3,000 white women. Then take away ones that are not married but are in relationships (I don't have stats for that, but let's say it's a third), so your available pool is now 2,000 women.
Then you take away the unattractive ones or the obese ones or the unmotivated, dead-end job ones, or whatever else your preferences are, and you're left with a pool of just 660 potential women (weeding out two-thirds of 2,000). Man, that's a very small pool. In other words, moved out of Delaware!
Seriously though, there was a recent NYT magazine article about online dating for folks over 50 (not that you are close to that age) from a female perspective...I don't want to link the article here since this is a public discussion, but search for it (online dating after 50 can be miserable) and it's pretty interesting. You might have to expand your geographical reach to neighboring cities and states to expand your pool, as the article suggests.
It's difficult, no doubt. It's a major, MAJOR life decision that many folks don't consider as seriously as they should...some people spend more effort and time on lots of other, much less meaningful things than choosing their life partner. Probably because when emotions are involved, especially in the honeymoon phase, people don't think clearly and throw caution to the wind and leave it to "fate", when they should be much more rational.
Spending your life with someone else is not about the intense infatuation and desire and butterflies in the stomach feelings in the beginning...it's about eating a meal with that person for the 9,000th time and still having something to talk about. It's about being so comfortable with someone that you don't even need to talk and can sit in silence without getting bored. Enjoying each other's company and companionship. Things like that...not the amazing, wild sex that you used to have when you first started dating.
Again, it's not easy to find that and I'm sure many of the guys in this thread haven't come across someone that they WANT to do this with, but those who are fortunate enough, and worked hard at it (because finding a mate IS a lot of hard work) are generally in happy marriages. Even those who stray with providers, for whatever reason(s).
Right...which I'm allowed to have and express, just like you, and we don't have to agree, and that's more than fine.
I said this before in another thread, but in my interpretation, there are two main, different types of trolls...
One form is online hate...personal attacks on race, religion, orientation, and similar. And encouraging sort of a mob mentality. Those are dealt with right away on our board with suspension and/or an immediate ban.
The other form is saying or doing things to cause drama and get an emotional reaction. This can involve posting things to try to provoke an argument (even if that's not really their position or belief), or trying to discredit or humiliate someone for disagreeing with them.
It is my opinion that this member isn't doing that (for the most part), and is presenting his honest, albeit, unfiltered thoughts and opinions. Gaslighting? Perhaps, but not what I would call trolling. Maybe he has posted in other threads that could be considering trolling (I didn't look into the background of his other posts), but I don't see evidence of that in this thread.
But I do agree that he needs to present his case civilly, without attacking or name calling or shaming anyone who presents an opinion that's contrary to his beliefs.
I said this before in another thread, but in my interpretation, there are two main, different types of trolls...
One form is online hate...personal attacks on race, religion, orientation, and similar. And encouraging sort of a mob mentality. Those are dealt with right away on our board with suspension and/or an immediate ban.
The other form is saying or doing things to cause drama and get an emotional reaction. This can involve posting things to try to provoke an argument (even if that's not really their position or belief), or trying to discredit or humiliate someone for disagreeing with them.
It is my opinion that this member isn't doing that (for the most part), and is presenting his honest, albeit, unfiltered thoughts and opinions. Gaslighting? Perhaps, but not what I would call trolling. Maybe he has posted in other threads that could be considering trolling (I didn't look into the background of his other posts), but I don't see evidence of that in this thread.
But I do agree that he needs to present his case civilly, without attacking or name calling or shaming anyone who presents an opinion that's contrary to his beliefs.
If someone could point out even one supposed troll post of mine I would be all ears. You don't see me badgering people with page after page of comments about how nuts a person must be to think that most women are undatable. A person who isn't trolling after a couple of posts simply says 'look, let's agree to disagree' not continue to hammer the other person for weeks on end when he knows the other guy sees it much differently.
Then to top it off says "anyone who criticizes porn needs to have his head examined'. More trolling, maybe he hasn't heard that porn has just ruined a good portion of our population of vital young men the past 15 years or so.
Then to top it off says "anyone who criticizes porn needs to have his head examined'. More trolling, maybe he hasn't heard that porn has just ruined a good portion of our population of vital young men the past 15 years or so.
I didn't want to take this further, but this assumption is flat out wrong.
For one, I despise feminism yet I believe I have contributed much to society. I have trained and mentored junior and intermediate IT staff members over the years. Too mant for me to count. Have gone out of my way to help people struggling with their tasks. Stuck my neck out to get guys job interviews when they were out of work. Upon leaving a long term contract s few years ago a very nice Indian girl told me I was "the most awesome mentor ever".
And the Chairman, who I have known for several years, is a great boss to his workers as well as a generous and compassionate landlord.
So please don't assume that just because we disagree with you on feminism and it's affects, that we do not contribute to society. It is close minded, insulting, and incorrect. Thanks.
For one, I despise feminism yet I believe I have contributed much to society. I have trained and mentored junior and intermediate IT staff members over the years. Too mant for me to count. Have gone out of my way to help people struggling with their tasks. Stuck my neck out to get guys job interviews when they were out of work. Upon leaving a long term contract s few years ago a very nice Indian girl told me I was "the most awesome mentor ever".
And the Chairman, who I have known for several years, is a great boss to his workers as well as a generous and compassionate landlord.
So please don't assume that just because we disagree with you on feminism and it's affects, that we do not contribute to society. It is close minded, insulting, and incorrect. Thanks.
Right, slim. Trying to get your goat (and others) by saying untrue/purposefully provoking things just to get a reaction from people to make himself the center of attention to keep the thread going on and on and on and on with him being the focus. How much trolling does this dude have to do before it's seen for what it is???
Like I said, just because someone claims a post is trolling doesn't necessarily make it so, and you didn't receive any warnings, right? Because I determined that the posts that were reported against your posts were not trolling, so those get rejected.
I already covered that the member needs to be civil when he makes his case, and not have to resort to name-calling (which you have done numerous times in numerous other threads), but again, that's not necessarily trolling, though he shouldn't be doing that. If he continues to do so, then we'll have a problem, but otherwise, carry on.
Like I said, we already covered this, and you're now doing the EXACT SAME THING you're saying that this member is doing...keeping the focus on yourself and keeping the thread going on and on and on, and your posts not having anything to do with the original topic.
@AutomaticSlim and @이 회장님 are posting things that support their belief, and being very respectful, even in the face of potential hostility, and are actually staying on topic. There's a difference in what they're doing and what you're doing.
I already covered that the member needs to be civil when he makes his case, and not have to resort to name-calling (which you have done numerous times in numerous other threads), but again, that's not necessarily trolling, though he shouldn't be doing that. If he continues to do so, then we'll have a problem, but otherwise, carry on.
Like I said, we already covered this, and you're now doing the EXACT SAME THING you're saying that this member is doing...keeping the focus on yourself and keeping the thread going on and on and on, and your posts not having anything to do with the original topic.
@AutomaticSlim and @이 회장님 are posting things that support their belief, and being very respectful, even in the face of potential hostility, and are actually staying on topic. There's a difference in what they're doing and what you're doing.
I browsed over this thread, and the conclusion I came up with based on everyone's input is that there are shit men and shit women, and shit people of any and all gender identities in between. This is how humanity has been since the beginning of their time, and will continue to be while humans roam the earth. It isn't feminism or liberalism or whatever catch word there is of the times. It is simply how humanity is.
I appreciate your post and that neat breakdown that I certainly never could have come up with!
I’m probably picky; but not necessarily after the woman who is in high demand. If that makes sense. I’m pretty nerdy. I like comic conventions, history, random outings etc. I’m kind of looking for a similar nerdy woman who is reserved at least has her life somewhat together etc. I don’t feel my expectations are that high. I don’t want some gorgeous bombshell who is just there for sex. I’m not interested. Like you said; sex fades.
But I honestly rarely come in contact with women like that. As you illustrated; you take out all the variables and are left with very little. There is always a problem. Either they are taken, not available, or most importantly, not interested in me etc. online dating doesn’t work- in real life women simply show no interest.
I’m probably picky; but not necessarily after the woman who is in high demand. If that makes sense. I’m pretty nerdy. I like comic conventions, history, random outings etc. I’m kind of looking for a similar nerdy woman who is reserved at least has her life somewhat together etc. I don’t feel my expectations are that high. I don’t want some gorgeous bombshell who is just there for sex. I’m not interested. Like you said; sex fades.
But I honestly rarely come in contact with women like that. As you illustrated; you take out all the variables and are left with very little. There is always a problem. Either they are taken, not available, or most importantly, not interested in me etc. online dating doesn’t work- in real life women simply show no interest.
I could go walk the city of Philadelphia. Like I have done many times. And see a decent amount of cute women. But bridging the gap between seeing someone and getting a date is a huge gap that modern society has created. Go talk to any one of them and it’s off putting at best for them and creepy at worst. It simply does not work,
Totally hear you, and at first, it was hard to fathom that you had ZERO possibilities, but then after digging into it, I didn't realize just how small your potential pool was.
I think, at 42 years of age, you SHOULD be picky...you don't want to just "settle". No need for you to waste time and money chasing someone that's not marriage, or even relationship material.
But definitely read the article that I mentioned, because it makes some good points about dating in general. And I think you might possibly have to expand your reach in other ways, even geographically. If you think about it, as we get older, the potential places to meet someone new is quite limited...it's either within your own circle of friends who can potentially introduce you (limited), or at work (which is usually not a good idea anyway), or at places that are part of your every day life (gyms, church (if you're religious), and other places.
Have you tried attending Meetup events that are catered to your interest? Whether that's golf or wine tasting or foodie groups...you like history and comic conventions...I'm sure you can find an event that's interesting to you. And not necessarily with the single goal of meeting new women, but just new people in general to expand your network. You should try to expand that circle of people you know, so that your pool has a shot of becoming larger.
I'm not suggesting you're doing a similar thing, but it's like looking for a new job...if all you're doing is just simply applying to job postings online, and not getting a call back for an interview, what do you do? Just sit there and hope something will turn up, or do you go out and send dozens of blind emails and phone calls and tap your network for leads, and then follow up again and again? The latter, I would hope, because one needs to be proactive and put in the time and effort to make things happen, instead of leaving it to chance. Why should it be any different for dating?
I wouldn't say online dating doesn't work...I would say it's a lot of work, and a lot of filtering, trial and error, and experimentation to come up with a strategy that works for you. But it's also not the be all, end all...think of it as just one tool in your arsenal...you have to utilize everything at your disposal, if you want to better your odds.
I think, at 42 years of age, you SHOULD be picky...you don't want to just "settle". No need for you to waste time and money chasing someone that's not marriage, or even relationship material.
But definitely read the article that I mentioned, because it makes some good points about dating in general. And I think you might possibly have to expand your reach in other ways, even geographically. If you think about it, as we get older, the potential places to meet someone new is quite limited...it's either within your own circle of friends who can potentially introduce you (limited), or at work (which is usually not a good idea anyway), or at places that are part of your every day life (gyms, church (if you're religious), and other places.
Have you tried attending Meetup events that are catered to your interest? Whether that's golf or wine tasting or foodie groups...you like history and comic conventions...I'm sure you can find an event that's interesting to you. And not necessarily with the single goal of meeting new women, but just new people in general to expand your network. You should try to expand that circle of people you know, so that your pool has a shot of becoming larger.
I'm not suggesting you're doing a similar thing, but it's like looking for a new job...if all you're doing is just simply applying to job postings online, and not getting a call back for an interview, what do you do? Just sit there and hope something will turn up, or do you go out and send dozens of blind emails and phone calls and tap your network for leads, and then follow up again and again? The latter, I would hope, because one needs to be proactive and put in the time and effort to make things happen, instead of leaving it to chance. Why should it be any different for dating?
I wouldn't say online dating doesn't work...I would say it's a lot of work, and a lot of filtering, trial and error, and experimentation to come up with a strategy that works for you. But it's also not the be all, end all...think of it as just one tool in your arsenal...you have to utilize everything at your disposal, if you want to better your odds.
Really dating just like business is all about network. If you're just going out alone at random to random place you think chicks might be located, is like trying to grow your business by picking a random street corner and holding a tiny sign like a postage stamp explaining your entire business model. And, like business network, the first, second, maybe even tenth, meeting does no result in anything of any cash value. You might meet a gal at a pal's kid's second grade graduation (lol), chat her up for ten minutes and move along, and then months later see her again in another circle event. Then it may be another six months, you run into her, and she is receptive tonight, you chat her up and not really try that hard, and later that night you're wiping her pussy slime off your goatee.
I am in the Singapore now for a conference of my industry peers. Will I land a 50m contract today or tomorrow or Thursday? Could be. But more likely I will collect 200 business cards and set up conference calls that may or may no ever happen, plant tours that may or may no ever happen, analyst calls that may or may no ever happen, and who knows what future will hold. But the contact is there, the network is connected, and one day in the future some guy I met, maybe he's an assistant to a VP I meet tomorrow, ten years from now he's at another company and is now the Research Director there, and he needs a supplier for Ruthenium who can not only supply greater quantity than any company in the world, but can do it in two business days. So he looks through his notes and gives us a call. Is the network. He might remember the things above, but also remember I'm a cool guy he liked and who treated him well despite him being a peon among industry giants, and who maybe invited him for an AMP trip later that day, and ok he might want to chat with me and catch up, then buy some minor metals.
Grandfather used to mix his analogies about business and girls, for him (and now for me!) these are so similar that I use almost identical tactic for each. He used to say about picking up chicks, and about business, is like fishing. Ok you might go down to the "ole fishin hole" and put your line in and hang out all day waiting for something to happen, and you might get a fish or ten or zero. Is a very passive approach, and everyone knows probability is low. However, if you go to ye ole fishin hole and bring 30 rods, put them all in, and then go tend every one of them in turn, tugging the string, reeling in, leading, changing the lure, whatever, well, you may never go hungry again. If you go to "a bar" once a month and stay there for an hour and every girl you come up with a reason to no talk to her (maybe that dude with the blue mohawk is her boyfriend, maybe she's about to leave, she's too hairy, she's got pointy elbows, I think she's a bitch, I heard her say she loves Mister Trump, etc), this is just barely the minimum action to claim that you "went pussy hunting". If instead, you go to three clubs over the week, dance clubs where females who open their legs pretty easy but also might be the semi-successful young partner at a law firm the next town over from you, and you make a presence there, i.e. chat up dudes and chicks, chat up the bartenders, chat up the band, chat up the DJ, find the bouncers and chat them up, and then repeat this for a few weeks, if you aren't buttfucking moms and college gals and hospital interns after a month, this is maximum effort, well-directed effort to goal, you should be swimming in pussy. Not just this, but you've got a network built that can cycle this over and over and over for as long as you like.
Me, I follow the many many many fishing rods method. I tend all them, I make sure I keep up constant regular contact with people in my network, to remind them I'm still alive and we're still linked and hey if you want to blah blah let's meet up, but all with the reality in my mind that ten of these out of 11 will result in nothing of cash value. I might go to grocery and chat up fifty gals in a month, and fuck one. Well, that's one, no zero, for me that is a major success. Can chat nobody and get zero. Can sleep at my home and get zero. Is possible chatting fifty gals you get two, or five, or twenty, or FIFTY! Gotta build and work that network.
Doesn't matter you're ten or twenty or fifty, network can be built any time. Sometimes just the repetition keeps you in front of someone's mind. I've mentioned in many posts what I think of current generation of ladies. But I still like to eat them out. So I prepare the battlespace before insertion (that's what SHE said), and then have properly set expectation. I might meet a gal who all she wants to talk about is she hates Mister Trump and he's with the nazis and he wears dirty underpants or whatever she may like to say. I still want to lick her pussy and cum in her mouth. So what do I do? I don't have to like her, or change her views re Mister Trump's actions, I just have to interest her in pulling her panties down and opening her mouth. I can drive home that night recalling how I'd like to never see or hear from her again, or I can drive home with the scent of delicious civvie pussy filling my leather interior, but either way, mission accomplished.
I feel like a lot of people today put little effort, and then put a bow on this as some heroic accomplishment and they are genuinely surprised they did no get the result they expected or the result that Vlad got. Sometimes is no just the effort this time, but the effort the previous ten times. Having a circle containing yourself and every conversation is "I should go out and get laid", ending with "nah they're all bitches anyway", this does no move the football. Gals can smell desperation, they can smell hatred, they can smell everything you're putting out. Be like Vlad, and put out scent of massifs confidence, power, but kindness and approachability. Again, even if you KNOW for sure there's no gal in here for me, put your face in there and get moving. Might meet ten bitches who genuinely don't deserve a grownup dude, and go home alone. But NEXT TIME, one of those bitches brings her pal, a nice girl that is afraid to go to club, and this bitch remembers you and then introduces her pal. Now this girl is no a bitch, but is your future wife, or, a gal who will be looking for her panties under your bed tomorrow morning. Is the network.
I am in the Singapore now for a conference of my industry peers. Will I land a 50m contract today or tomorrow or Thursday? Could be. But more likely I will collect 200 business cards and set up conference calls that may or may no ever happen, plant tours that may or may no ever happen, analyst calls that may or may no ever happen, and who knows what future will hold. But the contact is there, the network is connected, and one day in the future some guy I met, maybe he's an assistant to a VP I meet tomorrow, ten years from now he's at another company and is now the Research Director there, and he needs a supplier for Ruthenium who can not only supply greater quantity than any company in the world, but can do it in two business days. So he looks through his notes and gives us a call. Is the network. He might remember the things above, but also remember I'm a cool guy he liked and who treated him well despite him being a peon among industry giants, and who maybe invited him for an AMP trip later that day, and ok he might want to chat with me and catch up, then buy some minor metals.
Grandfather used to mix his analogies about business and girls, for him (and now for me!) these are so similar that I use almost identical tactic for each. He used to say about picking up chicks, and about business, is like fishing. Ok you might go down to the "ole fishin hole" and put your line in and hang out all day waiting for something to happen, and you might get a fish or ten or zero. Is a very passive approach, and everyone knows probability is low. However, if you go to ye ole fishin hole and bring 30 rods, put them all in, and then go tend every one of them in turn, tugging the string, reeling in, leading, changing the lure, whatever, well, you may never go hungry again. If you go to "a bar" once a month and stay there for an hour and every girl you come up with a reason to no talk to her (maybe that dude with the blue mohawk is her boyfriend, maybe she's about to leave, she's too hairy, she's got pointy elbows, I think she's a bitch, I heard her say she loves Mister Trump, etc), this is just barely the minimum action to claim that you "went pussy hunting". If instead, you go to three clubs over the week, dance clubs where females who open their legs pretty easy but also might be the semi-successful young partner at a law firm the next town over from you, and you make a presence there, i.e. chat up dudes and chicks, chat up the bartenders, chat up the band, chat up the DJ, find the bouncers and chat them up, and then repeat this for a few weeks, if you aren't buttfucking moms and college gals and hospital interns after a month, this is maximum effort, well-directed effort to goal, you should be swimming in pussy. Not just this, but you've got a network built that can cycle this over and over and over for as long as you like.
Me, I follow the many many many fishing rods method. I tend all them, I make sure I keep up constant regular contact with people in my network, to remind them I'm still alive and we're still linked and hey if you want to blah blah let's meet up, but all with the reality in my mind that ten of these out of 11 will result in nothing of cash value. I might go to grocery and chat up fifty gals in a month, and fuck one. Well, that's one, no zero, for me that is a major success. Can chat nobody and get zero. Can sleep at my home and get zero. Is possible chatting fifty gals you get two, or five, or twenty, or FIFTY! Gotta build and work that network.
Doesn't matter you're ten or twenty or fifty, network can be built any time. Sometimes just the repetition keeps you in front of someone's mind. I've mentioned in many posts what I think of current generation of ladies. But I still like to eat them out. So I prepare the battlespace before insertion (that's what SHE said), and then have properly set expectation. I might meet a gal who all she wants to talk about is she hates Mister Trump and he's with the nazis and he wears dirty underpants or whatever she may like to say. I still want to lick her pussy and cum in her mouth. So what do I do? I don't have to like her, or change her views re Mister Trump's actions, I just have to interest her in pulling her panties down and opening her mouth. I can drive home that night recalling how I'd like to never see or hear from her again, or I can drive home with the scent of delicious civvie pussy filling my leather interior, but either way, mission accomplished.
I feel like a lot of people today put little effort, and then put a bow on this as some heroic accomplishment and they are genuinely surprised they did no get the result they expected or the result that Vlad got. Sometimes is no just the effort this time, but the effort the previous ten times. Having a circle containing yourself and every conversation is "I should go out and get laid", ending with "nah they're all bitches anyway", this does no move the football. Gals can smell desperation, they can smell hatred, they can smell everything you're putting out. Be like Vlad, and put out scent of massifs confidence, power, but kindness and approachability. Again, even if you KNOW for sure there's no gal in here for me, put your face in there and get moving. Might meet ten bitches who genuinely don't deserve a grownup dude, and go home alone. But NEXT TIME, one of those bitches brings her pal, a nice girl that is afraid to go to club, and this bitch remembers you and then introduces her pal. Now this girl is no a bitch, but is your future wife, or, a gal who will be looking for her panties under your bed tomorrow morning. Is the network.