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Masculinity in the new millennium.
- Thread starter Black_equus
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I see the hapless sad sacks as their own worst enemy who scapegoat “feminism” instead of their own personal shortcomings.
I can’t blame a highly educated, successful, attractive woman not wanting to be anchored down by a low educated, underachieving socially incompetent man-child.
Dudes gotta work on themselves to make themselves better and happier before anyone else is gonna find them attractive.
Lots of angry dudes wallow in their own self pity these days.
I can’t blame a highly educated, successful, attractive woman not wanting to be anchored down by a low educated, underachieving socially incompetent man-child.
Dudes gotta work on themselves to make themselves better and happier before anyone else is gonna find them attractive.
Lots of angry dudes wallow in their own self pity these days.
Years later She’d be twice as miserable and broke from paying alimony if she “settled” for an uneducated, poorly socialized man child whose only skill he brings to the table is whining about his lot in life while wearing his Giants jersey and playing video games.
Guys got to step up. Just like “Automatic” says he’d never be happy settling for anything less than an “8”, gotta understand a woman having her own set of standards. If you’re not bringing anything to the table other than your cock, don’t be upset when someone who’s worked their ass off to succeed doesn’t want anything to do with you.
The problem isn’t successful women, it’s the of low achieving unsuccessful men. We’ve coddled a generation of boys like “the chairman’s” nephew and left the nieces with poor alternatives partners.
Guys got to step up. Just like “Automatic” says he’d never be happy settling for anything less than an “8”, gotta understand a woman having her own set of standards. If you’re not bringing anything to the table other than your cock, don’t be upset when someone who’s worked their ass off to succeed doesn’t want anything to do with you.
The problem isn’t successful women, it’s the of low achieving unsuccessful men. We’ve coddled a generation of boys like “the chairman’s” nephew and left the nieces with poor alternatives partners.
You think guys here are "low educated and underachieving"???
How would we be able to afford expensive escorts if we were that?
Also, who the hell wants a "a highly educated, successful" woman??? (when you said that, I pictured some pushy, aggressive, 5'9" gigantress with man-jaw).
What you are describing is an obnoxious, opinionated "strong, independent woman" (hardee har har) who got her job because of AA/EEOC laws that basically have the fed govt putting a gun to the head of private businesses to hire females and give them make-work job doing useless powerpoint docs.
Girls should be taught from a young age to set the table, do the dishes, wash and fold the clothes, make ice tea and lemonade, bake cookies, be quite and demure, and be sure to only date nice, polite, intelligent, hardworking boys when they gets older. Because if they date and marry the right men, they won't need to work outside the home.
Oh, and they should also never grow any taller than 5'4" and never weigh over 110 lbs...
How would we be able to afford expensive escorts if we were that?
Also, who the hell wants a "a highly educated, successful" woman??? (when you said that, I pictured some pushy, aggressive, 5'9" gigantress with man-jaw).
What you are describing is an obnoxious, opinionated "strong, independent woman" (hardee har har) who got her job because of AA/EEOC laws that basically have the fed govt putting a gun to the head of private businesses to hire females and give them make-work job doing useless powerpoint docs.
Girls should be taught from a young age to set the table, do the dishes, wash and fold the clothes, make ice tea and lemonade, bake cookies, be quite and demure, and be sure to only date nice, polite, intelligent, hardworking boys when they gets older. Because if they date and marry the right men, they won't need to work outside the home.
Oh, and they should also never grow any taller than 5'4" and never weigh over 110 lbs...
I don’t think that’s what Tiskier meant. I interpreted it as “All of us men need to always continue to work on ourselves.” which I agree with.
Also, dating has completely changed. Women have unrealistic expectations. We have to look like Tom Brady, make Aaron Judge type money, have the humor like the late Robin Williams and drive a car like James Bond. It’s insane but that’s the world we live in now.
Also, dating has completely changed. Women have unrealistic expectations. We have to look like Tom Brady, make Aaron Judge type money, have the humor like the late Robin Williams and drive a car like James Bond. It’s insane but that’s the world we live in now.
I blame two things:
1. First it that that a woman's prime years are from 15-30. A girl will never get more attention than she does during those years. Her beauty and fertility are at their peak and men will fawn over them. Especially the beautiful ones, who are never without relationship options. This 15 years of glory makes it hard for them to imagine it will ever end. Indeed, when they hit "The Wall", there is that sense of shock and denial. It takes a few years for them to realize things have really changed. In contrast, most men come into their own in their 30s and are most attractive then (or even later as they get richer and more successful). By way of analogy, women age like fish at a fish market and men age like fine wine.
2. The other thing is the Internet. & Social Media. Back in the day, a woman's options were bounded by the men she interacted with in real life. This gave more average Joes more of a chance with them. Thanks to the Internet, that is no longer they case. Now, a girl can go on a dating or hookup app and get almost unlimited attention. This is true for even girls in the 3-6 range. And of course, they will naturally go with the "Chads" who give them attention, without any regard for the chances of Chad actually settling down with her. The Internet gives them a distorted sense of reality which often puts their hypergamous tendencies into overdrive.
That many women these days are better educated then men only exacerbates the effect of the above. A woman who has worked hard getting her degrees feels like she deserves a man who matches her accomplishments. I view this as natural and don't blame them for it. I also know a few women who "married down" or "settled", and those marriages tend not to last very long.
One final piece of advice for the younger guys: I think the women you meet at church (or any house of worship) are probably a lot better quality that those who aren't religious. They are more likely to have good morals, have a low body count, and probably have fewer tats and pink hair. Back in the day, a lot of guys either met their future wives at church or college. I think those who married from the former source got the better deal. I do realize that fewer people are religious now (include me), so fewer women go to church, but its far from zero. The biggest problem is that you've got to get up early and go on your day off.
1. First it that that a woman's prime years are from 15-30. A girl will never get more attention than she does during those years. Her beauty and fertility are at their peak and men will fawn over them. Especially the beautiful ones, who are never without relationship options. This 15 years of glory makes it hard for them to imagine it will ever end. Indeed, when they hit "The Wall", there is that sense of shock and denial. It takes a few years for them to realize things have really changed. In contrast, most men come into their own in their 30s and are most attractive then (or even later as they get richer and more successful). By way of analogy, women age like fish at a fish market and men age like fine wine.
2. The other thing is the Internet. & Social Media. Back in the day, a woman's options were bounded by the men she interacted with in real life. This gave more average Joes more of a chance with them. Thanks to the Internet, that is no longer they case. Now, a girl can go on a dating or hookup app and get almost unlimited attention. This is true for even girls in the 3-6 range. And of course, they will naturally go with the "Chads" who give them attention, without any regard for the chances of Chad actually settling down with her. The Internet gives them a distorted sense of reality which often puts their hypergamous tendencies into overdrive.
That many women these days are better educated then men only exacerbates the effect of the above. A woman who has worked hard getting her degrees feels like she deserves a man who matches her accomplishments. I view this as natural and don't blame them for it. I also know a few women who "married down" or "settled", and those marriages tend not to last very long.
One final piece of advice for the younger guys: I think the women you meet at church (or any house of worship) are probably a lot better quality that those who aren't religious. They are more likely to have good morals, have a low body count, and probably have fewer tats and pink hair. Back in the day, a lot of guys either met their future wives at church or college. I think those who married from the former source got the better deal. I do realize that fewer people are religious now (include me), so fewer women go to church, but its far from zero. The biggest problem is that you've got to get up early and go on your day off.
Or anything that involves talking or enforcing a process (that someone else created). One talent most women have is that they can talk endlessly, making men capitulate to them out of frustration or mental exhaustion. Which is why they are a natural fit for any kind of bureaucracy. This is why nearly all HR departments are staffed almost entirely by women. In contrast, they tend to avoid jobs that involve hard physical labor, long hours, real sacrifice or objective measures of productivity.
Wow, I unknowingly kicked a hornets nest. I didn’t intend to direct my response at any one individual in this forum. I don’t personally know anyone on this site that would allow me to make such a personal assessment regarding any individual.
As far as referencing “Automatic” it was with regard to his self described high (impossible?) standards for finding a relationship partner. It was not meant to be a criticism as I have my own set of standards that I apply to my civie partners. I personally wouldn’t date or find a “dumb” girl attractive. For me to get involved with a woman in a civie relationship (not in arrangements that we discuss in this forum) the woman needs to be educated, socially adept and financially capable otherwise I find them boring & frankly I don’t want to support a financial leach.
High standards are great but it does go both ways. If your standards eliminate 99% of women so that you only want to date Giselle Bunchens you’d best have the self awareness to understand that you probably need to be a 1% attractiveness level & a Tom Brady too. Thus my suggestion to always work on one’s self first. Maximizing one’s appearance, health, presentation, speech, finances, skills (both professional & leisure) not only helps your happiness quotient but inevitably makes you a much more attractive potential partner.
My problem has never been attracting women I find attractive or starting relationships it’s been that I get bored easily. I love women. All types of women. I get fickle and move on after a certain amount of time irrespective of how physically attractive or mentally stimulating the woman initially is. NYC & SF are stocked with an endless supply of (to me) hot women looking for an employed, educated, above average looking straight guy that isn’t a weirdo.
Again, no intent on my part to single out or shame any individual. I just wanted to express the suggestion to look for solution from within rather than from the outside. People get lost in “macro” problems rather than choosing “micro” solutions.
As far as referencing “Automatic” it was with regard to his self described high (impossible?) standards for finding a relationship partner. It was not meant to be a criticism as I have my own set of standards that I apply to my civie partners. I personally wouldn’t date or find a “dumb” girl attractive. For me to get involved with a woman in a civie relationship (not in arrangements that we discuss in this forum) the woman needs to be educated, socially adept and financially capable otherwise I find them boring & frankly I don’t want to support a financial leach.
High standards are great but it does go both ways. If your standards eliminate 99% of women so that you only want to date Giselle Bunchens you’d best have the self awareness to understand that you probably need to be a 1% attractiveness level & a Tom Brady too. Thus my suggestion to always work on one’s self first. Maximizing one’s appearance, health, presentation, speech, finances, skills (both professional & leisure) not only helps your happiness quotient but inevitably makes you a much more attractive potential partner.
My problem has never been attracting women I find attractive or starting relationships it’s been that I get bored easily. I love women. All types of women. I get fickle and move on after a certain amount of time irrespective of how physically attractive or mentally stimulating the woman initially is. NYC & SF are stocked with an endless supply of (to me) hot women looking for an employed, educated, above average looking straight guy that isn’t a weirdo.
Again, no intent on my part to single out or shame any individual. I just wanted to express the suggestion to look for solution from within rather than from the outside. People get lost in “macro” problems rather than choosing “micro” solutions.
But this truly IS a macro problem.
Yes, if a guy is a modern "Phil Donahue" type, who is willing to play the game of indulging feminists and "career women", he could be more successful in our current, very sick society.
But to me, the problem truly is that the radicals of the 60s got their way and "fundamentally transformed" society for the worse.
Women working outside of the home/farm is a very communist concept.
Females are the gatekeepers of morality.
The formula always was that females needed intelligent, hardworking males as providers and protectors, and those males had to be kind gentleman to prove they would be good husbands and fathers. Put females in the job market, directly competing with males (and unfairly because of Affirmative Action laws) and you get what we have now. Tinder Sloots being pump n dumps for the top 10% of "Chads".
BTW, I have no interest whatsoever in a girl being "interesting". As long as she is pretty, petite, and does the dishes, I would be fine.
Yes, if a guy is a modern "Phil Donahue" type, who is willing to play the game of indulging feminists and "career women", he could be more successful in our current, very sick society.
But to me, the problem truly is that the radicals of the 60s got their way and "fundamentally transformed" society for the worse.
Women working outside of the home/farm is a very communist concept.
Females are the gatekeepers of morality.
The formula always was that females needed intelligent, hardworking males as providers and protectors, and those males had to be kind gentleman to prove they would be good husbands and fathers. Put females in the job market, directly competing with males (and unfairly because of Affirmative Action laws) and you get what we have now. Tinder Sloots being pump n dumps for the top 10% of "Chads".
BTW, I have no interest whatsoever in a girl being "interesting". As long as she is pretty, petite, and does the dishes, I would be fine.
It doesn’t matter if it’s for better, for worse, whether you agree with it or not you have to be a realist and understand that the horse is out of the barn & it ain’t coming back in.
The only thing you control is you. You can chose ways to improve yourself and improve your happiness quotient or become increasingly bitter and angry about societal changes you are not going to revert backwards.
Again, I’m not intending to individualize this statement. The “you” refers to modern man, not You specifically.
My initial post was really to address the GenZ boys rather than fellow Gen X men struggling with changes we have seen during our lifetime. The GenZ boys have really become a soft lot who give up and get angry instead of working hard and developing a strong skin to get ahead in this world. In my field, the women FAR outshine the young men.
The only thing you control is you. You can chose ways to improve yourself and improve your happiness quotient or become increasingly bitter and angry about societal changes you are not going to revert backwards.
Again, I’m not intending to individualize this statement. The “you” refers to modern man, not You specifically.
My initial post was really to address the GenZ boys rather than fellow Gen X men struggling with changes we have seen during our lifetime. The GenZ boys have really become a soft lot who give up and get angry instead of working hard and developing a strong skin to get ahead in this world. In my field, the women FAR outshine the young men.
I wasn’t offended. I just think your views on this aren’t correct. Men value youth and beauty; women value status money and power.
Would you rather date Oprah who is a famous billionaire? Or a early 20 something year old hot woman working at McDonald’s? Let’s be real here.
If you really want a successful career woman you will get all the negative that goes along with it.
Giselle Bunchen is a perfect example. Used up over the hill masculine woman with kids. Tom Brady wasn’t good enough for her. Tom fucking Brady. I wouldn’t touch her with a 10ft pole.
Would you rather date Oprah who is a famous billionaire? Or a early 20 something year old hot woman working at McDonald’s? Let’s be real here.
If you really want a successful career woman you will get all the negative that goes along with it.
Giselle Bunchen is a perfect example. Used up over the hill masculine woman with kids. Tom Brady wasn’t good enough for her. Tom fucking Brady. I wouldn’t touch her with a 10ft pole.