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PrEP for PSE

bonerhope

pecker_wood, thomasbird, Pay4, Pete2, Ppipe, Homas
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I just spoke to my doctor and my doctor did not want to recommend me prep. My doctor says it is a dangerous drug will really bad side effects such as kidney issues. I am open to opinions but right now I am going to trust a doctor over people on the internet. But still open to opinions.

I made it clear to my doctor that I have unprotected sex with multiple girls. But I guess in my doctor's mind the juice is still not worth the squeeze.

Should I see a new doctor? Should I go to Planned ParentHood?
Well he won't recommend it. But what about Descovy which is better than Truvada? If you have health insurance, I think it's supposed to pay for it.
 

mxpsdfkpodsfpko

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Well he won't recommend it. But what about Descovy which is better than Truvada? If you have health insurance, I think it's supposed to pay for it.
Basically, I asked in a final remark, "So all the drugs that help protect against STDs have heavy side effects". My doctor responded with "Yes". I responded with "So you the juice is what worth the squeeze?". My doctor responded with "Yes". Maybe my doctor was implying exploring the drugs right now isn't a good time since they all have side effects that could affect my health in the future.

STD test came back all clear :).

I am sure I made it really clear to my doctor that I am having unprotected sex with escorts. We decided to pick up after two months from now. I just wrote the drugs in my notes app. Will chat with my doctor about it two months from now.

I was pretty annoyed my doctor kept encouraging me to use a condom. I told my doctor I am aware of my vice and I don't think I will use any protection in the near future.
 

bonerhope

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Basically, I asked in a final remark, "So all the drugs that help protect against STDs have heavy side effects". My doctor responded with "Yes". I responded with "So you the juice is what worth the squeeze?". My doctor responded with "Yes". Maybe my doctor was implying exploring the drugs right now isn't a good time since they all have side effects that could affect my health in the future.

STD test came back all clear :).

I am sure I made it really clear to my doctor that I am having unprotected sex with escorts. We decided to pick up after two months from now. I just wrote the drugs in my notes app. Will chat with my doctor about it two months from now.

I was pretty annoyed my doctor kept encouraging me to use a condom. I told my doctor I am aware of my vice and I don't think I will use any protection in the near future.
Well I'm pretty pissed off by his attitude, and it sent me on a tear...

He is supposed to write you a prescription unless you have some condition where it's counter indicated.

You should challenge him that he is a prude that he is against promiscuous sex based on Right Wing, Christian moral grounds and is only using the kidney damage argument to justify it. You know it, I know it, and he knows it. Notably, when I googled the kidney effects are very low, you can get periodic blood tests for kidney degradation, and Descovy has less kidney effects.

If he's legitimately worried about kidney effecys he should prescribe Descovy and periodic blood tests every 3-12 months. Otherwise, he's just using it as an excuse for objections to promiscuous sex with hookers. I recognize it (being older I suspect) for same old BS about not wanting to give teenage girls the pill or condoms, or get that sex education actually decreases unwanted pregnancies and decreases STDs vs it's a terrible sin to encourage kids to have sex by teaching them about it.

Objections to giving drugs for safe sex on morality grounds are violations of personal rights between consenting adults, like moral hypocritical objections to abortion. It's also violating his oath as a doctor, because he's exagerating the risk of PrEP, and not ball park determining the risk of getting HIV (like here) by both using and not using a condom. You know more than he abouy these risks. I will ask a PO what percentage of guys forego the condom. Ask your doc how come the FDA approved the PrEP drugs if kidney damage was a significant risk over medically safer but less effective condoms? In fact this topic showed that PrEP is significantly more effective than condoms.

If he doesn't write you a prescription after arguing he's being hypocritical about promiscuous sex, I would threaten to report him for bad medical practice.
 

mxpsdfkpodsfpko

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Well I'm pretty pissed off by his attitude, and it sent me on a tear...

He is supposed to write you a prescription unless you have some condition where it's counter indicated.

You should challenge him that he is a prude that he is against promiscuous sex based on Right Wing, Christian moral grounds and is only using the kidney damage argument to justify it. You know it, I know it, and he knows it. Notably, when I googled the kidney effects are very low, you can get periodic blood tests for kidney degradation, and Descovy has less kidney effects.

If he's legitimately worried about kidney effecys he should prescribe Descovy and periodic blood tests every 3-12 months. Otherwise, he's just using it as an excuse for objections to promiscuous sex with hookers. I recognize it (being older I suspect) for same old BS about not wanting to give teenage girls the pill or condoms, or get that sex education actually decreases unwanted pregnancies and decreases STDs vs it's a terrible sin to encourage kids to have sex by teaching them about it.

Objections to giving drugs for safe sex on morality grounds are violations of personal rights between consenting adults, like moral hypocritical objections to abortion. It's also violating his oath as a doctor, because he's exagerating the risk of PrEP, and not ball park determining the risk of getting HIV (like here) by both using and not using a condom. You know more than he abouy these risks. I will ask a PO what percentage of guys forego the condom. Ask your doc how come the FDA approved the PrEP drugs if kidney damage was a significant risk over medically safer but less effective condoms? In fact this topic showed that PrEP is significantly more effective than condoms.

If he doesn't write you a prescription after arguing he's being hypocritical about promiscuous sex, I would threaten to report him for bad medical practice.
Let me go talk to Planned Parenthood or an online doctor. This doctor does seem really conservative but this doctor seems to care a lot more. I am open to the idea of a new doctor.

I told my doctor that I am going to continue having unprotected sex.
 

mxpsdfkpodsfpko

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Actually the more I think about it my doctor did give me an unapproved face when I told my doctor I was taking Finasteride.

Maybe my doctor looked into it and realized spreading STDs isn't that common here in the US and maybe taking a daily pill wasn't worth it,
 

bonerhope

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Let me go talk to Planned Parenthood or an online doctor. This doctor does seem really conservative but this doctor seems to care a lot more. I am open to the idea of a new doctor.

I told my doctor that I am going to continue having unprotected sex.
Yeah, new doctor I think is correct. He is a conservative in that he doesn't want to change ancient moralistic views, even though they make no sense and cause more harm. But we are not supposed to talk politics...
 

sexyloser

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Let me go talk to Planned Parenthood or an online doctor. This doctor does seem really conservative but this doctor seems to care a lot more. I am open to the idea of a new doctor.

I told my doctor that I am going to continue having unprotected sex.
Correct me if I'm wrong but based on what I read didn't your doctor only encourage the use of condoms? I don't recall reading about him disapprove of you engaging with escorts and promiscuous sex.
 

mxpsdfkpodsfpko

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Correct me if I'm wrong but based on what I read didn't your doctor only encourage the use of condoms? I don't recall reading about him disapprove of you engaging with escorts and promiscuous sex.
No, my doctor was super professional. I am sure I made it 100% clear that these are unprotected sex with escorts. Not a random bar night hookup.
 

bonerhope

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Correct me if I'm wrong but based on what I read didn't your doctor only encourage the use of condoms? I don't recall reading about him disapprove of you engaging with escorts and promiscuous sex.
No, I inferred that, also. My.bad. I tend to stretch connections.

I believe no condoms equates to promiscuous behavior in the mind of conservative anti-promiscuous people. Sex without constraints, associated with pre HIV gay cruiser promiscuous behavior in SF bathhouses where guys might have sex with 1/2 dozen strangers. They didn't use condoms, and yes they would get STDs, all treatable with antibiotics.
 

mxpsdfkpodsfpko

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No, I inferred that. My.bad. I tend to stretch connections.

I believe no condoms equates to promiscuous behavior in the mind of conservative anti-promiscuous people. Sex without constraints, associated with pre HIV gay cruiser promiscuous behavior in SF bathhouses where guys might have sex with 1/2 dozen strangers. They didn't use condoms, and yes they would get STDs, all treatable with antibiotics.
My doctor is Indian from India.
 

bonerhope

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I missed Apretude an every 2 month shot for HIV PrEP. It's some slow release suspension of one of the HIV drugs. Initially you have take it a couple of times every month, and have to figure out if you can tolerate the drug by taking it orally.

I don't know if you can give the shots yourself, and about insurance or cost.
 
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