Do you ever feel sorry for these girls that they have to do what they do and they work seven days a week even on holidays sometimes I have a heart and I really feel bad for them I’m guilty because I go to them but I do feel bad to them sometimes when I think about it but there’s nothing I can do about it I can’t save them
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Question for all you guys out there
- Thread starter Massageman
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They made the choice whether knowing the outcome or trapped. Kgirler is correct no one cares. BUT our government "cares" by intervening our personal businesses. I rescued three in the past feeling sorry for them. They are doing good. I do feel sorry for them knowing that they bestow fully before their bosses.
I don’t know if it is your place in life to “save them” as I really don’t think they are idiots, for the most part. They are not fools which need to be saved or rescued. Some will do this work willing for the money, some will find themselves in a bad position and this is the quickest way to make money … more than working in a restaurant or cleaning houses. Maybe some are doing this against there will, but I would doubt it in such public places. I know a lot of older Brazilian women that do this kind of work and they are supporting their families back in Brazil.
What I do feel sorry about is that these women have to play games with LE. Cheap customers are not a problem as they will know how to deal with a guy that holds a dollar so tight that George Washington screams. This thing down in Florida illustrates the problem and what is truly disgusting about it is that the only reason it gets this kind of attention is because Robert Kraft was arrested and put on display. Most of the guys will be OK. They can fight it in court or pay the outrageous fines, do the John shaming game and get on with their affluent lives. The women have a problem. They are charge with felonies, bail was set at outrageous levels and the system is playing games with them. The guys don’t deserve this and the women don’t deserve this. These women have lives and people they support. Why we do this in this country I will never understand.
What I do feel sorry about is that these women have to play games with LE. Cheap customers are not a problem as they will know how to deal with a guy that holds a dollar so tight that George Washington screams. This thing down in Florida illustrates the problem and what is truly disgusting about it is that the only reason it gets this kind of attention is because Robert Kraft was arrested and put on display. Most of the guys will be OK. They can fight it in court or pay the outrageous fines, do the John shaming game and get on with their affluent lives. The women have a problem. They are charge with felonies, bail was set at outrageous levels and the system is playing games with them. The guys don’t deserve this and the women don’t deserve this. These women have lives and people they support. Why we do this in this country I will never understand.
I respect them.
Its their chouce. I work crazy hoursn huge steess goverment takes about half of what i am paid. Thouse girls make about the same per hour or lots more (in case of indies) and dont pay taxes.
They are nor in 110F weather swinging hammers.
No i dont feel bad.
I do feel that prostitution must be decriminalized.
But then 30%of US women would either never have a husband or would actually had to lose weight (the travesty )
Its their chouce. I work crazy hoursn huge steess goverment takes about half of what i am paid. Thouse girls make about the same per hour or lots more (in case of indies) and dont pay taxes.
They are nor in 110F weather swinging hammers.
No i dont feel bad.
I do feel that prostitution must be decriminalized.
But then 30%of US women would either never have a husband or would actually had to lose weight (the travesty )
I've known guys who go overseas and work for stints of 1-3 years. During that time, they like in really shitty, dangerous locations (like the Middle East), little contact with their family and not a lot to do but work. Why do they do it? Because the $$ is fantastic and mostly tax free. I put these girls in the same category, except they probably have to work a lot less hard. As I've said before, I know these girls and what their typical day is like. Some days only 1-2 customers and lots of free time to fritter away. Even those girls who say they would rather do something else keep coming back, over and over.
Some on this board call their jobs "soul killing". I won't dispute that, though some do seem to enjoy it. That may or may not be an illusion; only they really know. But real world jobs can be soul killing as well (there's lots of ways to kill a soul), exhausting, dangerous, and often not very well paid. Plus your share to the tax man. I'll submit that anytime you work for someone you despise, it's soul killing. I also know people who worked in factories for shit wages and lost fingers or worse.
As far as LE entanglements: yeah, it sucks. But unless these girls actually own the spa, they'll probably never do any jail time. If it gets really bad, they can just go to another city (under yet another assumed identity) or go back home. It all part of the opportunity cost. They make their decision and it's a rational one.
Some on this board call their jobs "soul killing". I won't dispute that, though some do seem to enjoy it. That may or may not be an illusion; only they really know. But real world jobs can be soul killing as well (there's lots of ways to kill a soul), exhausting, dangerous, and often not very well paid. Plus your share to the tax man. I'll submit that anytime you work for someone you despise, it's soul killing. I also know people who worked in factories for shit wages and lost fingers or worse.
As far as LE entanglements: yeah, it sucks. But unless these girls actually own the spa, they'll probably never do any jail time. If it gets really bad, they can just go to another city (under yet another assumed identity) or go back home. It all part of the opportunity cost. They make their decision and it's a rational one.
Sure, many of us work long hours. Maybe 7 days a week. Maybe in tough conditions. Maybe low pay.
But how many of us are expected to do do intimate and highly personal actions to men who more often than not are out of shape, unattractive or older? Even worse if the customer is cheap or demeaning and expecting to be pleased in every way. Put yourself in their place. What if you had to go down on a 200lb 60yr old woman who wanted to tip you only $80 for FS? The average provider is much more desirable than the average monger. The average provider probably wouldn't voluntarily touch 80% of their clients, while almost all of us would have no problem getting intimate with any of them.
Yes, they get paid well at times. Probably most are not being forced to do this. But there's no honor in this profession. They can't go to bed at night feeling good about themselves. Can they even admit what they do to their family and friends? They don't need saving, but they probably hate what they are doing to a stronger degree than we hate our jobs. And how many of us would trade places? I do feel bad for them to a degree, knowing that they could choose a different path albeit with limited choices as a foreigner.
But how many of us are expected to do do intimate and highly personal actions to men who more often than not are out of shape, unattractive or older? Even worse if the customer is cheap or demeaning and expecting to be pleased in every way. Put yourself in their place. What if you had to go down on a 200lb 60yr old woman who wanted to tip you only $80 for FS? The average provider is much more desirable than the average monger. The average provider probably wouldn't voluntarily touch 80% of their clients, while almost all of us would have no problem getting intimate with any of them.
Yes, they get paid well at times. Probably most are not being forced to do this. But there's no honor in this profession. They can't go to bed at night feeling good about themselves. Can they even admit what they do to their family and friends? They don't need saving, but they probably hate what they are doing to a stronger degree than we hate our jobs. And how many of us would trade places? I do feel bad for them to a degree, knowing that they could choose a different path albeit with limited choices as a foreigner.
But how many of us are expected to do do intimate and highly personal actions to men who more often than not are out of shape, unattractive or older? Even worse if the customer is cheap or demeaning and expecting to be pleased in every way. Put yourself in their place. What if you had to go down on a 200lb 60yr old woman who wanted to tip you only $80 for FS?
First of all if girl want more that 80 she usually just charges more. Its 140 fs cheapest around here, and 140 places are crap.
Secondly like with any job - supply and demand. Sorry but thouse ladies didnt spend 10+ years of college/post graduate degree, 5- 10 years slaving for large firm at crappy pay before starting to make 100+ per hour.
Almost any woman can do it. So its very lucrative.
I have s solution for you average provider: if they cant stand doing what they do:
McDonalds always hiring.
Cleaning services always hiring.
Retail always hiring.
Even construction - go ahead 15$/ hour before taxes and no benefits.... talking about slavery.
They do what they do because its EASY AND PAY LIKE YOU ARE AN MD OR LAWYER.
if they are forced into prostitution -thats horrible and should be stopped. Most of them aren't.
They do it hecause its easy and actually LESS soul crushing than your average job.
Legalizing prostitution will eleminate 99% of sex trafficking.
P.S. MY BOSS rapes my mind weekly along with other higher ups and NEVER leaves any tip. Try to be a person doing actual meaningful work (not "managing") in multinational corporate enviroment......
P.P.S. I am built like MMA fighter and hing like a mule. Providers don't like it.
I think it's completely terrible if someone is being forced, tricked or coerced into this lifestyle in any way. It's truly terrible and that should be eliminated. But there are some of them who are not victims who supplement their income with this type of work.
The goal, I would hope, for society is to get rid of the first type of provider and leave the second type alone or even protect it. Nevada is a model. The interaction between two consenting adults shouldn't be regulated but if there's a third party there pimping or organizing the action, that should be shut down.
The goal, I would hope, for society is to get rid of the first type of provider and leave the second type alone or even protect it. Nevada is a model. The interaction between two consenting adults shouldn't be regulated but if there's a third party there pimping or organizing the action, that should be shut down.
Agree on the ick factor, but many jobs have an ick factor. This is where the indies or SA girls have it especially good. They can pick and choose their clients. An AMP girl has to service whoever walks in the door. While I have heard of them denying service (especially to South Asians), it does not happen very often. And, yeah, even in A-Town, no one does FS for only $80 or even $100 these days.
From talking to them, I know how it works. Many of them come here first on a "recon" trip to see the US (as tourists) and then decide if they want to come back to work in an AMP. Their lives would be much easier if they stayed in their own country. But they don't. Again, their choice.
From talking to them, I know how it works. Many of them come here first on a "recon" trip to see the US (as tourists) and then decide if they want to come back to work in an AMP. Their lives would be much easier if they stayed in their own country. But they don't. Again, their choice.
I could only imagine what these girls see on a day to day basis. Everything from young, fit guys who treat them nicely to 400 lb. jerks who smell and 70-year old wrinkly men with peeling skin who want to kiss.
I usually think it's hilarious when some mongers remark that the girl 'isn't into it' or is 'mechanical'. Bro, can you imagine the things they've had to see and do?
I usually think it's hilarious when some mongers remark that the girl 'isn't into it' or is 'mechanical'. Bro, can you imagine the things they've had to see and do?
Dude.
As an immigrant (albeight long time ago and lucky one) trust me on this.
Life in their home countries aren't easier...... not even comparable.
Try being afraid for your life daily, being raped at militia/corrupt police desire and struggling to find food/shelter, heat your house, afford a pair of shoes.
For a lot of foreigners USA is heaven, even as AMP workers.
With that said legalizing sex work would allow sex workers to enjoy same protections as we all enjoy.
At cost of paying taxes.
Win-win.
As an immigrant (albeight long time ago and lucky one) trust me on this.
Life in their home countries aren't easier...... not even comparable.
Try being afraid for your life daily, being raped at militia/corrupt police desire and struggling to find food/shelter, heat your house, afford a pair of shoes.
For a lot of foreigners USA is heaven, even as AMP workers.
With that said legalizing sex work would allow sex workers to enjoy same protections as we all enjoy.
At cost of paying taxes.
Win-win.
Not saying that shitty situations don't exist, but (for the most part) that's not what I'm hearing from these girls. Many of them really love and have a lot of pride in their home countries (in East Asia). They routinely go back there on vacation for months at a time. Some show me pics of their house back home, typically they look very modern and nice. In turn, they sometimes disparage the USA for this or that. Some of them claim the USA is backward in terms of technology and convenience. Sometimes I tweak them and ask: If things are so great there, why don't you go back? I usually get a blank stare and mumbling in response.
Overall, I think conditions in East Asia are pretty good compared to other parts of the world (Middle East, Africa, Central America, Venezuela). As far as complaints, one girl's biggest complaints about China was the amount of time she had to spend socializing with co-workers after work. Only one girl I can recall mildly complained about the lack of religious freedom back home. Maybe the most alarming complain I ever heard was from a Vietnamese girl. She told me that the Chinese were taking over her country and that people were routinely "disappearing". Even so, she still went back home for month-long trips at least twice a year. So I guess things were not all that bad.
Overall, I think conditions in East Asia are pretty good compared to other parts of the world (Middle East, Africa, Central America, Venezuela). As far as complaints, one girl's biggest complaints about China was the amount of time she had to spend socializing with co-workers after work. Only one girl I can recall mildly complained about the lack of religious freedom back home. Maybe the most alarming complain I ever heard was from a Vietnamese girl. She told me that the Chinese were taking over her country and that people were routinely "disappearing". Even so, she still went back home for month-long trips at least twice a year. So I guess things were not all that bad.
Per @Werty11 decimalization is the route to go. If you remove the criminal penalties for the provider and the customer you will greatly improve the lives of both. The harm reduction would be the greatest for the provider.
Anti-prostitution activist work on the premise that all providers are essentially slaves or are being forced into this. Whether they work in massage parlors, dance in Gentlemen’s clubs, walk the streets or escort. This is clearly not true. They also believe that the customers (Men / Johns) are evil and they are the force driving this slavery. If we can make them live in fear, if we can hurt them enough the demand for sex will stop. This of course if not true. The customer is typically your average guy. Some think that the provider is an evil Jezebels and of course this is not true. She is typically and average women who is in this business. Take away the criminal penalties and anyone can go to the authorities when they see something criminal. For example, compulsory prostitution, under aged prostitution, robberies etc.
Anti-prostitution activist work on the premise that all providers are essentially slaves or are being forced into this. Whether they work in massage parlors, dance in Gentlemen’s clubs, walk the streets or escort. This is clearly not true. They also believe that the customers (Men / Johns) are evil and they are the force driving this slavery. If we can make them live in fear, if we can hurt them enough the demand for sex will stop. This of course if not true. The customer is typically your average guy. Some think that the provider is an evil Jezebels and of course this is not true. She is typically and average women who is in this business. Take away the criminal penalties and anyone can go to the authorities when they see something criminal. For example, compulsory prostitution, under aged prostitution, robberies etc.