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Uniquelyme

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This is shrewd advice - It's fascinating to see some of the older guys around here who struggle to keep their emotions in check and inevitably become ensnared by this lifestyle...sometimes I wonder if this ilk is more deserving of pity or a subject of ridicule.

The rules of engagement were set long before any of us entered the game, and it's clear that many just aren't cut out for this.
I can't understand falling for an Escort. I've almost made two pros my gf before. But that was mutual and I ultimately thought wiser and didn't do it. However I'm not married and I would never fall for a pro over my wife.
 

Uniquelyme

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Women are women, yet they are all unique. Doesn't matter what they do for a living. Eventually you meet one that clicks with you and you are powerless. It's like the old duPont slogan, "better living through Chemistry". It's the guy who says "never me" that wakes up one day in love.
You only fall in love if you are open to it. Maybe in my 50's it could happen. However at this stage now no it wouldn't be able to happen. They shouldn't fall in love with hobbyists either. Both are bad choices.
 

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I can't understand falling for an Escort. I've almost made two pros my gf before. But that was mutual and I ultimately thought wiser and didn't do it. However I'm not married and I would never fall for a pro over my wife.
there are a lot of guys like you that are mongers, who separate escorts and spa girls, from "regular girls", and treat them quite differently.

I for one have never seen it as a sharp line between good girls and bad girls, more like a blur of morality. I probably couldnt fall in love with a streetwalker, or a drug addict, but I also probably couldnt fall in love with a puritan, who believes sex is only for getting children. In between is a range of sexual morality. There's plenty of "normal" women who sold themselves to guys, because they were rich, bought them good things, etc. could be many of the wives of the guys here. ;)

There's plenty of girls in spas that i've found had a heart of gold and are infinitely more moral than a conniving gold-digger. I wouldnt sit in judgement on anyone, and just say that because circumstances put her in a situation where she has to do this for money, she isnt a quality person worth dating/marrying. But I also dont sit in judgement of you or your attitude. I just approach it different. every girl I meet is an opportunity to make another friend, and i try to treat all of them as equally as I can, at the start.
 

Uniquelyme

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there are a lot of guys like you that are mongers, who separate escorts and spa girls, from "regular girls", and treat them quite differently.

I for one have never seen it as a sharp line between good girls and bad girls, more like a blur of morality. I probably couldnt fall in love with a streetwalker, or a drug addict, but I also probably couldnt fall in love with a puritan, who believes sex is only for getting children. In between is a range of sexual morality. There's plenty of "normal" women who sold themselves to guys, because they were rich, bought them good things, etc. could be many of the wives of the guys here. ;)

There's plenty of girls in spas that i've found had a heart of gold and are infinitely more moral than a conniving gold-digger. I wouldnt sit in judgement on anyone, and just say that because circumstances put her in a situation where she has to do this for money, she isnt a quality person worth dating/marrying. But I also dont sit in judgement of you or your attitude. I just approach it different. every girl I meet is an opportunity to make another friend, and i try to treat all of them as equally as I can, at the start.
I by no means am saying that all pros are morally bad or that they are all gold diggers. Especially amp girls ik many of the amp girls who are immigrants do this out of necessity.

However I am saying I am not going to fall for a Woman who is doing this because she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it. Why risk it?? There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position. Perhaps when I'm in my 50's and I just don't gaf. Maybe. However now, no.

Same goes for a Woman. Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money. Ik it happens but many Women don't see these type of Men. Because of the extra baggage.

Relationships are hard enough as it is. To start it off in a bad way isn't a good idea.
 

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I by no means am saying that all pros are morally bad or that they are all gold diggers. Especially amp girls ik many of the amp girls who are immigrants do this out of necessity.

However I am saying I am not going to fall for a Woman who is doing this because she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it. Why risk it?? There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position. Perhaps when I'm in my 50's and I just don't gaf. Maybe. However now, no.

Same goes for a Woman. Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money. Ik it happens but many Women don't see these type of Men. Because of the extra baggage.

Relationships are hard enough as it is. To start it off in a bad way isn't a good idea.
"...Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money..."

Uneek,
... You are an insightful contributor and I agree with you on many of your posts but the moral equivalency between dealing hard drugs and working as an AMP provider is off base,( imho)..... Granted, getting involved emotionally with a Provider is fraught with obstacles but so are most Civvie relationships, not to mention Marriage or Divorce..
.... Getting involved with an AMP gal can be a "Magical Mystery Tour" or a "Worst Nightmare"... I've experienced both and still have no regrets... Deciding to go down the "Rabbit Hole" is a life altering decision and should be made with open eyes and an open mind...
... just my two cents... free advice.. you get what you pay for... Lol..
Best regards,
Xooz
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Srhsrh

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I by no means am saying that all pros are morally bad or that they are all gold diggers. Especially amp girls ik many of the amp girls who are immigrants do this out of necessity.

However I am saying I am not going to fall for a Woman who is doing this because she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it. Why risk it?? There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position. Perhaps when I'm in my 50's and I just don't gaf. Maybe. However now, no.

Same goes for a Woman. Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money. Ik it happens but many Women don't see these type of Men. Because of the extra baggage.

Relationships are hard enough as it is. To start it off in a bad way isn't a good idea.
I don’t understand your point about age and how that influences your pool of eligible women that allows you to include spa girls.
Its true I’m older, and it’s true I don’t gaf what anyone else says, but I’ve always been that way.
I’ve met spa girls that have been damaged by this business, but I’ve also met girls that sailed right through. So I don’t see the psycho level as higher than the normal population. In fact it’s probably lower. I’ve dated some real winners lately on the normal side, as my friends nudge me toward finding a girl and settling down.

There’s positive sides to spa girls as a partner too. The sex has always been awesome. They do continue in that mode of doing little things for you, that normal girls won’t do. I don’t mean sexual favors, although that’s true, I mean things like buying your clothes, helping you dress, trimming your hair and nails, etc. They dress and look their best at all hours. They are OCD about cleaning and cleanliness. And they are physically fit. Much more so than the average normal girl.
I can give you a long list of normal women I’ve dated with worse baggage than comes with a typical spa girl.
 

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How does one perceive a man or men that come to AMPs or other pros for an emotional relationship or a love interest? Many a man’s finger is pointed at provider’s, let’s take a look in the mirror first, you see that guy? Start with him, ask him what and why, he’s got baggage too. What is it about me/us that want more than menu item from Prostitutes, by menu item I’m referring to service offered, many of us want her to at least like us which seems important, many of us want her to really like us, perhaps love us.
 

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How does one perceive a man or men that come to AMPs or other pros for an emotional relationship or a love interest? Many a man’s finger is pointed at provider’s, let’s take a look in the mirror first, you see that guy? Start with him, ask him what and why, he’s got baggage too. What is it about me/us that want more than menu item from Prostitutes, by menu item I’m referring to service offered, many of us want her to at least like us which seems important, many of us want her to really like us, perhaps love us.
Yes agreed whole heartedly. Never would I want any future dates or anyone I'm involved with to know i was or am a hobbyist.

We definitely carry baggage being a hobbyist. Some more than others ofc.
 

Uniquelyme

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I don’t understand your point about age and how that influences your pool of eligible women that allows you to include spa girls.
Its true I’m older, and it’s true I don’t gaf what anyone else says, but I’ve always been that way.
I’ve met spa girls that have been damaged by this business, but I’ve also met girls that sailed right through. So I don’t see the psycho level as higher than the normal population. In fact it’s probably lower. I’ve dated some real winners lately on the normal side, as my friends nudge me toward finding a girl and settling down.

There’s positive sides to spa girls as a partner too. The sex has always been awesome. They do continue in that mode of doing little things for you, that normal girls won’t do. I don’t mean sexual favors, although that’s true, I mean things like buying your clothes, helping you dress, trimming your hair and nails, etc. They dress and look their best at all hours. They are OCD about cleaning and cleanliness. And they are physically fit. Much more so than the average normal girl.
I can give you a long list of normal women I’ve dated with worse baggage than comes with a typical spa girl.
They have vaulabe attributes. And to each their own. Imo though you are taking more of a risk dating a Woman who has been fucking many Men for money. It skews their way of thinking. Much better if at all to get a girl when she just starts providing as opposed to one who's been doing this a while.
 

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How does one perceive a man or men that come to AMPs or other pros for an emotional relationship or a love interest? Many a man’s finger is pointed at provider’s, let’s take a look in the mirror first, you see that guy? Start with him, ask him what and why, he’s got baggage too. What is it about me/us that want more than menu item from Prostitutes, by menu item I’m referring to service offered, many of us want her to at least like us which seems important, many of us want her to really like us, perhaps love us.
Excellent point! For the average monger, you're already being judged harshly by these gals. In the case of the higher-priced agency/ indie gals who have more self-respect (and perhaps, a bit too much hubris) - your average guy doesn't stand a chance.

For high-volume AMP gals who are immersed in a cesspool of strange men (and the occasional Robert Kraft), they have the least bit of control and are probably most psychologically afflicted...these gals, being the most vulnerable are most deserving of our compassion...but again, to pursue a relationship with a gal who is routinely and indiscriminately bedded by anywhere from 20-40 mongers in a given week...sometimes for months and years...this has to be the quickest road to hell, but as @DannyG alluded to, the damaged goods label applies to both provider and client.
 

TGBeldin

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Excellent point! For the average monger, you're already being judged harshly by these gals. In the case of the higher-priced agency/ indie gals who have more self-respect (and perhaps, a bit too much hubris) - your average guy doesn't stand a chance.
Oh my. I am afraid you are very wrong on this point.
 

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I by no means am saying that all pros are morally bad or that they are all gold diggers. Especially amp girls ik many of the amp girls who are immigrants do this out of necessity.

However I am saying I am not going to fall for a Woman who is doing this because she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it. Why risk it?? There are sooooo many Women who don't have that extra baggage. Why put myself in that position. Perhaps when I'm in my 50's and I just don't gaf. Maybe. However now, no.

Same goes for a Woman. Why should a Woman date a Man who makes good money but sells drugs to get that money. Ik it happens but many Women don't see these type of Men. Because of the extra baggage.

Relationships are hard enough as it is. To start it off in a bad way isn't a good idea.
Love is love and it happens. When it happens it causes you to not process the obvious.

“she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it.”

They do close it. And, they move on like it never happened. It’s like a high school job you had that you don’t ever remember.

You would be surprised how many moms who are living with their husband and little children in Flushing get a call from a provider who needs someone to fill in for her goes rushing in and provides service for 2 days.

When the two days are up, she’s richer, and goes back to her husband and thinks nothing of it.
 

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For high-volume AMP gals who are immersed in a cesspool of strange men (and the occasional Robert Kraft), they have the least bit of control and are probably most psychologically afflicted...these gals, being the most vulnerable are most deserving of our compassion...but again, to pursue a relationship with a gal who is routinely and indiscriminately bedded by anywhere from 20-40 mongers in a given week...sometimes for months and years...this has to be the quickest road to hell, but as @DannyG alluded to, the damaged goods label applies to both provider and client.
Some compassion and dignity can go a long way, do a search on "Bacchus ladies" for an idea why.
 

Uniquelyme

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Love is love and it happens. When it happens it causes you to not process the obvious.

“she's opened up pandoras box and I'm not sure she can ever fully close it.”

They do close it. And, they move on like it never happened. It’s like a high school job you had that you don’t ever remember.

You would be surprised how many moms who are living with their husband and little children in Flushing get a call from a provider who needs someone to fill in for her goes rushing in and provides service for 2 days.

When the two days are up, she’s richer, and goes back to her husband and thinks nothing of it.
They could tell you whatever stories they want to tell you. I'm telling you as a human being with emotions and with memory. Things like fucking these escorts is not going to be forgotten. And most Men will go back to it.

Same with Women. Especially if they enjoy sex a lot. What's the big deal fuck many Men and gets good money. That's why so few truly leave. Yea u may think they left but most times they just changed states.
 

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They could tell you whatever stories they want to tell you. I'm telling you as a human being with emotions and with memory. Things like fucking these escorts is not going to be forgotten. And most Men will go back to it.

Same with Women. Especially if they enjoy sex a lot. What's the big deal fuck many Men and gets good money. That's why so few truly leave. Yea u may think they left but most times they just changed states.
True, so few leave. Or if they do, they come return. See reference to Bacchus ladies above. And, this is their life. It’s their only social network They don’t fit in with other Chinese social groups.

I’m know a few civilian Chinese women and they found out I was getting massages. They both said, never ever talk about it to other Chinese. If you let on you know about the massage business you will be looked down on. It’s a whole different world.
 
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