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Seeking Arrangments (& other Sugar Daddy sites)

Uniquelyme

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Not understanding why they would go down in price for an overnight after a few visits. Their whole thing is to squeeze every last cent out of a SD. You'd think they would be asking for more, not less.
Because they want to keep seeing you. You are a catch. They know it. After going through lame profiles, fake profiles. They like spending time with you getting some money getting their back blown out.

So they can go down in price. But I'm simply saying the same rate is the rate you give em after they spend the night. Any girl who tells you that will be more. Isn't a girl I would see. I treat SA wayyyyyy different than pros.
 

Koujiao

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the ladies have seen it all, you may think you are being creative, but there are no new moves. Never the less, why would you be anything but nice to them. The most important seduction / lie in this transaction is the lie to and seducing of yourself.
 

Uniquelyme

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the ladies have seen it all, you may think you are being creative, but there are no new moves. Never the less, why would you be anything but nice to them. The most important seduction / lie in this transaction is the lie to and seducing of yourself.
I dont lie to these Women at all. I meet them act cool n laid back and teat it like I would any date. Wanna smash but after that not sure if it will go anywhere. I'm the catch, so I act like it. A mutual appreciation for the other is needed.
 

haaretz

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VJLUTZ, this activity is your passion (and mine as well).

A passion (and I assume that you're passionate in these encounters if nothing else) consumes one's time and resources. If one's time and resources are abundant, if one's time and resources are more modest----it's all the same. And to be somewhere in late middle age seducing ladies 20+ years younger with charm, negotiation and some money, you have to have "game." The accomplishment of this act isn't something that we can really share with our civilian chums. They wouldn't understand anyway.


Money is always at the forefront of cosa nostra. Having more sex, more time for less $$ is what we all want. And evading LE, our spouse, and others we might know. Having a plausible excuse ready as to why I was at a particular apartment building in Palo Alto or San Jose. All part of our deviant subculture, guys.
 

haaretz

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the ladies have seen it all, you may think you are being creative, but there are no new moves. Never the less, why would you be anything but nice to them. The most important seduction / lie in this transaction is the lie to and seducing of yourself.
When my CF told me over a year ago that she looked forward to seeing me because I was kind I understood that it was a moment of sincerity and intelligent marketing. This was a couple months after I tried to wow her with athletic feats, and she told me to relax and to be myself. Yeah, she's seen it all.
 

haaretz

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You are lying to yourself if you think dating and fucking Women who are attractive isn't a skill. Especially when you take money out of the picture and just pay for dates. Not extremely expensive dates just normal dates.

Being successful on SA and not overpaying is also a skill. Some do much better than others.
Just not a skill that I can put on my resume.
 

threeforthemoney

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Mr. Haaretz opened up a can of worms here, one that deserves its own thread. It gets to the core of why we refer to this as a "hobby". Paying for sex is purely a quid-pro-quo transaction. IMHO, referring to basic mongering a "hobby" is a stretch because it involves almost no skill, except perhaps that required to get the $$. All that is really required is showing up at the AMP with the HF+tip. Those on these boards who have no skill at mongering are easy to identify: they are the ones continuously railing about how they got "ripped off" by this or that girl.

The more experience I got AMP mongering, the more it seems that the hobby is about using your personality to get the biggest bang for the buck. That is when you use your personality to get the best experience possible at the lowest cost. To me, getting an AMP girl to fall in lust with you and fuck you with gusto+extras (inside the spa) or for free (outside the spa) is a very valuable skill. It is also a skill that translates to success in other areas, especially those that involve persuasion. To me, this is the essence of the "hobby" and what can elevate it to an art form.

SA requires even more skill than either the AMP or the escort route. For the latter options, the girls will usually take all comers, except in extreme cases, as long as you have the $$. SA requires a dance and a negotiation to get what you want. As noted many times, the selection process is far more intricate & exhausting; in many ways, its akin to dating. But, like AMPs, you can hone your skills to get more benefits for less $$. That is the best part of the game.

And its possible to make it happen for even the most jaded, money grubbing woman. An accomplished safe cracker once likened women to safes: there are easy cracks and there are hard cracks. But there are no impossible cracks.
Agreed. My only comment with SA is sometimes, to get a young woman to come to your house, for a few hours, I feel that is worth paying a little more for. What I mean is they always ask, and I don't like to start low, if the woman appears young (21 to 24), extremely attractive, slim, all of that. I typically offer 4, which my be my bad on my part. But at that rate, I get more takers. That is from years of experience, 3 just doesn't cut it when they are driving to my place, spending 90 minutes or so in my bed, then leaving on their own. I've had very few takers at 3, and many more at 4. I won't go higher than 4, so when they want 5 or 6, or more, I just move on. For me, the difference between 3 and 4 is insignificant for a young woman on SA that, in my opinion, is coming to me fresh. By that I mean from her house, freshly showered, and not from another John's house. Now, I may be wrong, but after 3 or 4 visits, you get to know them, talk to them, and understand their home situation. They seem to be all in a bad situation. Either no father, or V little contact with the father. Or Au Pairs are common, from Germany or now one from Brazil. They make little money, or student for the summer not working, whatever. Do they visit another SA guy on another day, who cares? Just my thought process.
 

VJLUTZ

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VJLUTZ, this activity is your passion (and mine as well).

A passion (and I assume that you're passionate in these encounters if nothing else) consumes one's time and resources. If one's time and resources are abundant, if one's time and resources are more modest----it's all the same. And to be somewhere in late middle age seducing ladies 20+ years younger with charm, negotiation and some money, you have to have "game."

Money is always at the forefront of cosa nostra. Having more sex, more time for less $$ is what we all want.
Yes, I am very passionate about it. In some ways, I feel like I'm living my 2nd youth. Money is an enabler. If you've got the $$ to spend, then that can help you avoid a lot of the coaxing and communication that must occur. It's a good thing that texting was invented because I can't imagine doing all this on the phone (as I would have had to do if this was 1989). Texting makes it possible to have relationships with multiple women simultaneously without losing your job, your marriage or your mind.
 

haaretz

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Yes, I am very passionate about it. In some ways, I feel like I'm living my 2nd youth. Money is an enabler. If you've got the $$ to spend, then that can help you avoid a lot of the coaxing and communication that must occur. It's a good thing that texting was invented because I can't imagine doing all this on the phone (as I would have had to do if this was 1989). Texting makes it possible to have relationships with multiple women simultaneously without losing your job, your marriage or your mind.
You're right about texting and life management...
 

Srhsrh

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the ladies have seen it all, you may think you are being creative, but there are no new moves. Never the less, why would you be anything but nice to them. The most important seduction / lie in this transaction is the lie to and seducing of yourself.

That’s so true. We’re talking here about the great “skill” it takes to get a girl who is a hooker to take your money and agree to have sex with you. Not that I don’t do it myself, but it’s not a skill to me, it’s a business transaction.

Escorts turn down customers all the time. Spa girls withhold services and refuse to see guys out of the shop all the time. SA appears no different except that they seem to have conned people into thinking their shit doesn’t stink.

Next you’ll be believing that she only does this for you. Oh wait, somebody already believes that. Sigh.
 

krideynyc

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Not that I don’t do it myself, but it’s not a skill to me, it’s a business transaction.

SA appears no different except that they seem to have conned people into thinking their shit doesn’t stink.
Taking a slight issue with this, and it's only a very slight one. Yes, SA can be a strictly business transaction, just like escorts and spas. Especially if you pay them on a per visit basis. However, there are relationships that proceed on a mutually agreed ongoing basis, and the money is more an "allowance", with sex being one of the benefits.
 

Uniquelyme

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That’s so true. We’re talking here about the great “skill” it takes to get a girl who is a hooker to take your money and agree to have sex with you. Not that I don’t do it myself, but it’s not a skill to me, it’s a business transaction.

Escorts turn down customers all the time. Spa girls withhold services and refuse to see guys out of the shop all the time. SA appears no different except that they seem to have conned people into thinking their shit doesn’t stink.

Next you’ll be believing that she only does this for you. Oh wait, somebody already believes that. Sigh.
You are speaking about what you don't know about. You even said you haven't tried it. SA girls don't even respond to some Men. Never mind not meeting up with many.

They aren't extra special. However they most certainly see far less Men. Especially the ones I've targeted. A popular spa girl sees 40-50 guys a week. 4 guys a week for a low volume SA girl is a lot. Also many of the SA girls speak English and are farrrrr younger.

Do you and move how you move. Just make things clear for others. You havent even tried SA and you already think it isn't worth it. Not going into this without an opinion. Which that opinion is that it isn't going to be good. Thinking like that will make things quickly turn into what you are basically wanting it to be.
 

TGBeldin

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The number of different "arrangements" is almost endless. My former boss had a SB he thought no one knew about who lived rent free in an apartment he owned. As far as I know no other $ was involved, but the rent would probably have been 1800-2000 a month. When she graduated and moved away, I am pretty sure the nenexnenext tennant had a similar relationship.
 
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