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Seeking Arrangments (& other Sugar Daddy sites)
- Thread starter VJLUTZ
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This right here kind of shows that you are thinking of the dollars more then they are. Lol
I'll agree with some of your statements. But again, putting the effort in up front yields a LOT more for your money later.
Now, I am 34 years old. I also go back to back to back rounds without missing a beat. And I like to make a connection that's a little deeper then the transaction, and being that I am in sales and like to learn how people tick, it's usually a good conversation. So SA is the ultimate YMMV experience, and it will work for those who work it.
As far as the menu, anything I am after( which isn't what you mentioned, other then maybe the massage) has been readily available.
I don't take any issue with an individual reviewing their experience...I am going to point out though, that if ALL of your experiences on their have led to what you say, it's probably something you are doing more then anything else. There are some women that fit the image your painting, but it's far from all of them.
I'll agree with some of your statements. But again, putting the effort in up front yields a LOT more for your money later.
Now, I am 34 years old. I also go back to back to back rounds without missing a beat. And I like to make a connection that's a little deeper then the transaction, and being that I am in sales and like to learn how people tick, it's usually a good conversation. So SA is the ultimate YMMV experience, and it will work for those who work it.
As far as the menu, anything I am after( which isn't what you mentioned, other then maybe the massage) has been readily available.
I don't take any issue with an individual reviewing their experience...I am going to point out though, that if ALL of your experiences on their have led to what you say, it's probably something you are doing more then anything else. There are some women that fit the image your painting, but it's far from all of them.
Of course it's not ALL of my experiences. The same as I am sure that not all of your encounters with college age SA girls leads to overnight stays.
But it happens enough times that it is a valid expectation when I go to an upscale AMP.
Here's the thing. I know that "sugaring" works for some guys. I just don't think it will work for every guy, or even most guys.
I and also do not think that "game" can be applied by anyone and yield the same results as far as pulling hot, young girl 8 and above.
But guys like me CAN EASILY get 8s and above from upscale AMPs and agencies with no more effort than to open our wallets.
On SA I was getting pinged by mostly 5s and 6s. The prettier girls are very focused on the guys looks, and they will not respond to you if you don't match their standards.
But if you do, then I am sure it is a good place to be. I would say the 80/20 (90/10?) rule is in effect there, the same as in bars and clubs.
"Working it", or "applying game" isn't going to make much of a difference unless you are genetically handsome or Harvey Weinstein rich.
Telling guys other wise reminds me of this meme:
Anyways, this has been an interesting discussion.
Have a good one.
But it happens enough times that it is a valid expectation when I go to an upscale AMP.
Here's the thing. I know that "sugaring" works for some guys. I just don't think it will work for every guy, or even most guys.
I and also do not think that "game" can be applied by anyone and yield the same results as far as pulling hot, young girl 8 and above.
But guys like me CAN EASILY get 8s and above from upscale AMPs and agencies with no more effort than to open our wallets.
On SA I was getting pinged by mostly 5s and 6s. The prettier girls are very focused on the guys looks, and they will not respond to you if you don't match their standards.
But if you do, then I am sure it is a good place to be. I would say the 80/20 (90/10?) rule is in effect there, the same as in bars and clubs.
"Working it", or "applying game" isn't going to make much of a difference unless you are genetically handsome or Harvey Weinstein rich.
Telling guys other wise reminds me of this meme:
Anyways, this has been an interesting discussion.
Have a good one.
On SA, I've found that the going rate for 2 hours at my place, that is, the girl is willing to drive to my place, and sleep with me, then leaves, is $400. Sometimes $300. If they want more, then I don't bother. Many of them, once they have come over a few times, find it less transactional to do a sleep over. That obviously involves diner and drinks, at home. Small breakfast in the am, and they typically take a shower. Now, I'm unattached so it's not an issue, and I understand there are not many mongers able to do what I do. I do have an impressive penthouse apartment, a few large TVs, gas fireplace, etc., so it's warm and comfortable. They never ask for additional $$ for the overnight, but I typically bump it up to $500. it is nice to wake up to her at 6 am for round 2. I've never done the Manhattan AMPs, nor the club bars, so perhaps I should try sometime. My understanding is the Manhattan AMPs are considerably pricier than, say, Allentown PA or Bridgewater NJ. That's why the SA cost works for me, it's a little more, but, in my opinion, much more pleasurable.
Let me add we all have our favorites at AMPs, whether they are in NYC, NJ or PA. On SA, I have been extremely selective, always slim, and no tattoos, and attractive. I'm in good shape, but I'm 60, so it takes awhile to land one. Not as long as you may think, but sometimes awhile. Then, in order to have one consistently come over, there has to be a mutual understanding, and they need to take good care of me while they are with me, or they know it can end at any time. Sure, they can then find another daddy to please, but I find that my situation, having a nice place for them to come to, rather than the back seat or some sleazy hotel, make is much more pleasurable for them. Once they've come over 3 or 4 times for overnights, and go home with $500, they really don't want it to end. that has been my experience with 4 over the last 3 years. the one that comes over now once a week, she is spot on each week, her timing, everything.
Two comments.
I believe you are correct about YOUNG girls (20/21) in the 8-10 hot range, but much less so if you consider 30 y/o women. I am average looking, and older. I am not drawn to the very hot 20 y/o because I find them far less interesting for a multi hour or overnight, but if I to talk to one I agree, they don't see below skin deep. It is that same narrow focus that makes them less interesting, and usually less skilled in bed.
But a little humor, inquisitiveness about them, and being able to converse like an adult can do great things with a 30 year old beauty. (And from my POV, the rewards are far better most the time). I have certainly not bedded ever 30 y/o beauty I have tried to, but I have been successful with more than my share of legitimate 8s & 9s.
I don't know, but I suspect that as women age they are no longer drooled over by every hormone charged man, plus they have had enough experience with men to realize that while a man's looks are one consideration, they are not the only one.
I believe you are correct about YOUNG girls (20/21) in the 8-10 hot range, but much less so if you consider 30 y/o women. I am average looking, and older. I am not drawn to the very hot 20 y/o because I find them far less interesting for a multi hour or overnight, but if I to talk to one I agree, they don't see below skin deep. It is that same narrow focus that makes them less interesting, and usually less skilled in bed.
But a little humor, inquisitiveness about them, and being able to converse like an adult can do great things with a 30 year old beauty. (And from my POV, the rewards are far better most the time). I have certainly not bedded ever 30 y/o beauty I have tried to, but I have been successful with more than my share of legitimate 8s & 9s.
I don't know, but I suspect that as women age they are no longer drooled over by every hormone charged man, plus they have had enough experience with men to realize that while a man's looks are one consideration, they are not the only one.
In my experience, looks do not matter. I’m average looking, dress neat and treat them with respect and pay them well.
I always drive and pick up the girls at their home or at work. I’ll go to CT, Brooklyn and NJ. PA and MA are too far for me. lol.
I’ll make a reservation for dinner and we’ll have a nice meal and I’ll listen to their concerns and help them if I can. I’ve helped several of them find an entry level job which they always appreciate.
The easy sugar babies are the ones in their mid to late-20s who do not have a job and are unrealistic about their life and future. These are also the less bright ones.
So I target the seniors in college and graduate students who are about to graduate and need guidance with their career and financial help on the side. These are the more reasonable ones and they have a brain. lol.
I always drive and pick up the girls at their home or at work. I’ll go to CT, Brooklyn and NJ. PA and MA are too far for me. lol.
I’ll make a reservation for dinner and we’ll have a nice meal and I’ll listen to their concerns and help them if I can. I’ve helped several of them find an entry level job which they always appreciate.
The easy sugar babies are the ones in their mid to late-20s who do not have a job and are unrealistic about their life and future. These are also the less bright ones.
So I target the seniors in college and graduate students who are about to graduate and need guidance with their career and financial help on the side. These are the more reasonable ones and they have a brain. lol.
If you are in your mid-50s and you are hunting 21 y/os, yes, the hunting will be challenging. At that age you (and even more, I) am not visually apealing. The greater the age difference, the harder you need to work to get them to see you the first time. If that extra time/investment is more than you are willing to invest, then you will likely succeed only infrequently. The benefits of age/experience are not in getting the first encounter, but in making it easier to have follow on encounters.
I consider the hunt worth the effort. You may or may not. But if you don't then do not transfer the blame to the women, or think it is because life had cursed you with average looks. Every game has an entry fee, it's you choice to play or not. If you do not care to work at it with the advantages you do have to compensate for those you don't--or if you cannot abide by several rejections for every "yes"--then you are likely best served sticking with AMPs and escorts. But even there it takes non-financial investment to get past the basic levels of play.
I consider the hunt worth the effort. You may or may not. But if you don't then do not transfer the blame to the women, or think it is because life had cursed you with average looks. Every game has an entry fee, it's you choice to play or not. If you do not care to work at it with the advantages you do have to compensate for those you don't--or if you cannot abide by several rejections for every "yes"--then you are likely best served sticking with AMPs and escorts. But even there it takes non-financial investment to get past the basic levels of play.
The key part of this is, it takes non financial investment to get beyond the basic levels of play. However, in the AMP scene, the woman is OBLIGATED to give you the basics. Some indys are also very particular about who they meet, and even more so about who they get further involved with.
While I do agree with some of Slims observations, he's also saying plenty that points to his being an internal issue more then anything else.
While I do agree with some of Slims observations, he's also saying plenty that points to his being an internal issue more then anything else.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Some points.
- I don't believe I've blamed anyone here. Just stated my honest opinion that handsome guys and very rich guys can do ok with sugaring, but not so much the rest if us. I considered SA a waste of time, but TBH, I never msgd a girl more than once if no reply. A friend of mine will send 20 msgs and flatter them to get replies. That just ain't me. He was also a college athlete.
- I've been seeing pros regularly for 33 years. Started when I was a junior in college. So yeah, its not just my comfort zone, its all I know. I tried match and SA for the hell of it, just for something different, but the choices were not for me. SA girls not pretty enough, interested oned on match waaaay too old.
- The only "advantage" I have is a relatively well paying career and disposable income. Which I'll be using to see escorts till the end.
Take care and have a good one.
- I don't believe I've blamed anyone here. Just stated my honest opinion that handsome guys and very rich guys can do ok with sugaring, but not so much the rest if us. I considered SA a waste of time, but TBH, I never msgd a girl more than once if no reply. A friend of mine will send 20 msgs and flatter them to get replies. That just ain't me. He was also a college athlete.
- I've been seeing pros regularly for 33 years. Started when I was a junior in college. So yeah, its not just my comfort zone, its all I know. I tried match and SA for the hell of it, just for something different, but the choices were not for me. SA girls not pretty enough, interested oned on match waaaay too old.
- The only "advantage" I have is a relatively well paying career and disposable income. Which I'll be using to see escorts till the end.
Take care and have a good one.
I don't even think you come across as mad. It's just, you come across as somebody who is experienced and telling people what their experience will be like on the site. But you are also flat out saying your presentation could use work, and you're not interested in putting much time investment into the deal. Those are two CRITICAL components of SA, as opposed to the AMP experience where those details may get you MORE, but everybody is going to get attention.
I am more trying to point out that the only people who should be discouraged from SA are the ones who share your priorities. Which aren't wrong, they can be whatever you want it to be. Just make sure you paint the whole picture when recommending the site or not, rather then just saying the women on there are stuck up, average, etc.
I am more trying to point out that the only people who should be discouraged from SA are the ones who share your priorities. Which aren't wrong, they can be whatever you want it to be. Just make sure you paint the whole picture when recommending the site or not, rather then just saying the women on there are stuck up, average, etc.
At my age now that's too much I'm 39. I wouldn't pay max $350-400. I've never even paid $300 for an SA girl overnight. However at your age yea i can see it.
This comes off as Fatherly. They don't want a strange Father figure educating them on how they can make more money fucking more guys. Let them think what they want. Just tell them that's not what you're comfortable with. You never spend that because you have seen girls for far less.
This comes off as Fatherly. They don't want a strange Father figure educating them on how they can make more money fucking more guys. Let them think what they want. Just tell them that's not what you're comfortable with. You never spend that because you have seen girls for far less.
This I've said it before. SA is what you make of it. It takes some time. But once you get accustomed to look out for certain profiles to not even message them and which profiles to engage it becomes easier.
It may not be for you. However I did extremely well on it. I thought it was sooooo fucking easy. However I will say all the girls I've seen were so puzzled I was on it. And were happy saying I look late 20's max and I just acted normal and funny and a bit of charm and those panties came off with the quickness and they did ANYTHING I wanted. Also I never ever gave money before we fucked that's not normal.
I would explain that's just strange if asked and probably wouldn't see them again as that comes off like a pro.
It may not be for you. However I did extremely well on it. I thought it was sooooo fucking easy. However I will say all the girls I've seen were so puzzled I was on it. And were happy saying I look late 20's max and I just acted normal and funny and a bit of charm and those panties came off with the quickness and they did ANYTHING I wanted. Also I never ever gave money before we fucked that's not normal.
I would explain that's just strange if asked and probably wouldn't see them again as that comes off like a pro.
SA is time and effort. A good profile, honest, sincere, and being candid, is crucial. There are many mysterious men on there. Just create a dummy female profile and look for yourself. Photos are also important, a few of them, that show how you look. They don't want to see you with your shirt off, they just want someone that's not disgusting, that appears normal, perhaps somewhat charming. And I think the majority of the 21 to 25 year old college women/women with initial jobs want one guy steady, once a week, three times a month, whatever. it's nerve racking for a young woman to come to an older guys pla