Afton is on the neighborhood radar

[kantuchdis]

The following is from the American Civil Liberties Union website:

Using a Video Recorder (Including Cell Phones) With Audio Capacity
You have a right to capture images in public places, but you don't always have a right to record what people say. Pennsylvania's Wiretap Law makes it illegal to record private conversations - which can include conversations in public places - without the consent of all parties to the conversation.

When you begin to tell Karen or Kenneth to stop recording you is when they have begun breaking the law. Welcome to my foot up your ass.

 

[Jro99]

Get up in their face enough. THE MOMENT they touch you, self-defense, give them the beat-down of their lives.

I've seen some of the guys who talking about filming clients as the enter/leave. Personally I don't think I can confront them lol. I just don't want to be risked being filmed at all. Plus as I mentioned someone might recognize me. I made the mistake of shitting where I eat.

 

[Jro99]

The following is from the American Civil Liberties Union website:

Using a Video Recorder (Including Cell Phones) With Audio Capacity
You have a right to capture images in public places, but you don't always have a right to record what people say. Pennsylvania's Wiretap Law makes it illegal to record private conversations - which can include conversations in public places - without the consent of all parties to the conversation.

When you begin to tell Karen or Kenneth to stop recording you is when they have begun breaking the law. Welcome to my foot up your ass.

That's good to know but unfortunately you still can't legally assault someone because they are breaking the law. You could still face charges and the assault would most likely be on film.

 

[DrHappy88]

That's good to know but unfortunately you still can't legally assault someone because they are breaking the law. You could still face charges and the assault would most likely be on film.

Don't forget about also getting sued civilly for whatever damages are inflicted. Lawyers cost money and they get paid whether they win, lose or draw.

Also, from a more practical safety standpoint, physically attacking someone in their own neighborhood, for whatever reason, may draw others into the fight. Unless you are Jet Li, you aren't going to win against 3 or 4 guys.

 

[Jro99]

Get up in their face enough. THE MOMENT they touch you, self-defense, give them the beat-down of their lives.

Somebody just posted a screenshot of your comments on a community page. The guy said that nobody is afraid of a bunch of guys who have to pay for sex and discuss it on a message board. Neighbors are saying that more people will report the spa now until it closes down. The comments about having to pay for sex and having to talk about what goes on in the bedroom with a women online with strangers did kind of hurt my feelings. I don't know why they have to attack is personally now.

 

[Anonajohn]

Somebody just posted a screenshot of your comments on a community page.

Nothing worse than a bunch of karens when they're on a crusade. I hope the spa moves to another location.

 

[Steve519]

Karens on Facebook vs. Internet Tough Guys on a Monger Forum


Anyone taking bets? Should be a good showdown. I’m getting my popcorn ready now.

 

[Jro99]

More calls have been made to L&I, Northeast detectives, and the FBI since people are saying human trafficking may be involved. A good thing was ruined because of a few idiots who don't know how to act.

 

[Anonajohn]

people are saying human trafficking may be involved

They always say that in order to trump up charges and make sensationalist headlines in the news. Most of the time, as in this case, it's not true at all. The girls are not there involuntarily. If they don't want to work at a place, they leave.

 

[scoobylover]

The following is from the American Civil Liberties Union website:

Using a Video Recorder (Including Cell Phones) With Audio Capacity
You have a right to capture images in public places, but you don't always have a right to record what people say. Pennsylvania's Wiretap Law makes it illegal to record private conversations - which can include conversations in public places - without the consent of all parties to the conversation.

When you begin to tell Karen or Kenneth to stop recording you is when they have begun breaking the law. Welcome to my foot up your ass.

If someone is recording you and you see that they are recording you and you approach them, knowing they are recording you and you begin to speak, knowing that you are being recorded, you have consented to being recorded. What the ACLU is referring to is when someone sneaks up on people and records what they believe to be a private conversation. This is vastly different than what you are describing. So, you objecting by assaulting them will likely get you arrested.

Folks, if someone is out there recording people coming and going from one of these establishments, it's probably best to give it a skip.

 

[softball3]

Probably not the correct forum, but, does one have the right to record in/on their own private property?

 

[automatic_tiger]

Nothing worse than a bunch of karens when they're on a crusade. I hope the spa moves to another location.

Relocating would be their best bet at this point.
Gotta wonder about the butterbrain who is posting comments from AMP-R on their FB page.
Probably the same guy who mentioned that everyone in the neighborhood is asking him about the situation, including inquiries about the rates.

There are some tortured souls who are drawn to the monger phenomenon like moths to a flame, and get vicarious thrills by dipping their digitals into the medium.
There's a guy who has posted a series of "exposés" about mongering on YouTube under the title of "Bad Rub". He goes by the moniker "Human Trafficking Hater" (subtle, right?) and mainly draws on content from RubMaps.
You can almost hear him salivating as he details the evils of this hobby:

 

[Ellocohombre]

Recording someone is not attacking them.

No but it can be considered harassment.

 

[Jro99]

People on the community page are mentioning how they are contacting Fox 29 News now too. I don't know about you all but I do not want Mike Jerrick in my face after spending good money to rearranging a young asian women's guts. They stopped accepting new members into the group. Someone mentioned how clients are threatening members of the group for sharing information. Apparently the place has been under surveillance for a least a few months already. I learned something today. Maybe posting reviews about brothels that include their addresses on a public forum isn't the best idea. I realize now that these women don't really want to be there. These are real people who had hopes and dreams, they might not be there against their will, but they have no other options. Maybe instead of spending money on sex I could use it towards my family or to help charity. Maybe I shouldn't pay women for a few minutes of pleasure when I am going to feel empty and alone inside afterwards. If I keep this hobby up chances are I will probably end up alone forever. Maybe that Eddie Bronswell guy was right, if I can't find a woman to have sex with me for free, I probably couldn't punch my way out of a wet paper bag. I'm on a forum reading about how other men have sex with prostitutes then I am going out to have sex with them too knowing damn well that they just had sex with other random men for money. I should probably stop doing this before I contract a sexually transmitted disease. It's actually pretty insane if you think about it. It's like you're buying a used car online and you see a car with over 50 previous owners, you know the car has been neglected, and has issues but you buy it anyway. Am I a homosexual for wanted to be inside of a woman after she was just with another man? Do I enjoy smelling the scent of another man who just left the sex worker I am with? At some point I am just rubbing my penis around with another man's juices right? There's no way around it. I don't know anymore. One thing I know for sure is that the people of Fox Chase are a strong community and even thought my favorite spa will probably be shut down soon, I must applaud the people of Fox Chase for keeping their community safe. God bless.

 

[Anonajohn]

People on the community page

Now you sound like you are the very person with the crusade / vendetta against the place, and these posts are smokescreen scare tactics. You probably made those posts on the FB page too, or possibly fabricate in photoshop, then show screenshots here as your proof. I am still not going to go there because I don't need problems like the ones you're causing / trying to cause, but with no reviews and every one of your posts on the boards about this topic, you basically have zero credibility.

 

[Jro99]

Now you sound like you are the very person with the crusade / vendetta against the place, and these posts are smokescreen scare tactics. You probably made those posts on the FB page too, or possibly fabricate in photoshop, then show screenshots here as your proof. I am still not going to go there because I don't need problems like the ones you're causing / trying to cause, but with no reviews and every one of your posts on the boards about this topic, you basically have zero credibility.

Okay I was just trying to give everyone a heads up but be my guest and go there and get arrested. I loved that place and the ladies there and I will miss them very very much. I have no vendetta, I do not appreciate you making accusations against me without any proof or credibility pal.

 

[automatic_tiger]

One thing I know for sure is that the people of Fox Chase are a strong community and even thought my favorite spa will probably be shut down soon, I must applaud the people of Fox Chase for keeping their community safe. God bless.

You are certainly free to arrange your behavior and your lifestyle as you wish. The same is true of the rest of us.
As was pointed out above, you are making numerous unfounded assumptions about the ladies in this profession.
Certainly, these ladies would prefer it if they could make the same money in some other line of work where they don't get harassed by locals, bullied by unsavory customers, threatened with legal action, forced to fork over freebies by bent coppers, etc.
Many, probably most have some negative feelings about their profession.
That said, how many people working at Walmart, Wawa, or the local nail salon feel exuberantly fulfilled in their jobs? For much crappier pay!
You are defending the tribalism of this neighborhood, with their comments like "whores walking around the streets". These ladies haven't done anything outside the confines of the house where they are located, and they are providing needed services for pay in the best spirit of free-market capitalism. It just so happens that their profession is illegal. So is cheating on income tax, disobeying traffic laws, peddling prescription drugs, running neighborhood poker games, diddling under-agers, etc., etc.
Sure, the locals have preferences for what they want and don't in their neighborhood. But, that sort of justification (in its extreme, a mob mentality) has historically led to a shitload of evil things taking place in the name of maintaining neighborhood values.
In the best case, the Afton ladies will be able to relocate somewhere that doesn't have such an onerous community values approach. Then, maybe these busybodies can get to work on the carjackings, muggings, wee-hours smash-and-grabs, oxycontin trade, and other things that cause far more societal damage than do the ladies who keep our juices flowing.

 

[Anonajohn]

Your denials make my theory even more plausible.

be my guest and go there and get arrested

As I said, I'm not going there.

I loved that place and the ladies there

Sure you do

I do not appreciate you making accusations against me without any proof or credibility pal.

You over-reached, and tipped your own hand, pal.

 

[Jro99]

You are certainly free to arrange your behavior and your lifestyle as you wish. The same is true of the rest of us.
As was pointed out above, you are making numerous unfounded assumptions about the ladies in this profession.
Certainly, these ladies would prefer it if they could make the same money in some other line of work where they don't get harassed by locals, bullied by unsavory customers, threatened with legal action, forced to fork over freebies by bent coppers, etc.
Many, probably most have some negative feelings about their profession.
That said, how many people working at Walmart, Wawa, or the local nail salon feel exuberantly fulfilled in their jobs? For much crappier pay!
You are defending the tribalism of this neighborhood, with their comments like "whores walking around the streets". These ladies haven't done anything outside the confines of the house where they are located, and they are providing needed services for pay in the best spirit of free-market capitalism. It just so happens that their profession is illegal. So is cheating on income tax, disobeying traffic laws, peddling prescription drugs, running neighborhood poker games, diddling under-agers, etc., etc.
Sure, the locals have preferences for what they want and don't in their neighborhood. But, that sort of justification (in its extreme, a mob mentality) has historically led to a shitload of evil things taking place in the name of maintaining neighborhood values.
In the best case, the Afton ladies will be able to relocate somewhere that doesn't have such an onerous community values approach. Then, maybe these busybodies can get to work on the carjackings, muggings, wee-hours smash-and-grabs, oxycontin trade, and other things that cause far more societal damage than do the ladies who keep our juices flowing.

Oh save it for the judge pal!

 

[Jro99]

Your denials make my theory even more plausible.

As I said, I'm not going there.

Sure you do

You over-reached, and tipped your own hand, pal.

Don't you pal me. That's my thing.