AMP Economics

[Talo]

I know an all time favorite of the community who saved up a ton of money over 10+ years of mongering and had it all stolen. On top of that, she had some serious health issues...it was one of the most tragic sad situations I've seen. I know some girls who have some how figured out a way to keep it safe and have become successful real estate or business owners, but some of these girls don't necessarily keep it all safe and get screwed.

This particular girl had a happy ending tho, she overcame her health issues, made a bit more money, and then married a client. Very happy for her, but she's had some really rough times.

Echoing the statement of bad financial skills. Since the money comes so easy they don't realize it's not that easy for everyone else or in other jobs. They blow their cash daily or in bad investments. I knowmany that only use Chinese car service to get around everywhere, unless a friend can drive. That adds up when your taking a cab twice a day. Now realize that's just one of many bad financial habits, like eating out ever day or buying luxury goods every months.

As far as bad investments. I know one that has been doing this for nearly 20 years. She retired for about a year then was suddenly back. Turned out she tried to start her own legit business outside of NYC, unrelated to spas, that business failed and she was desperate so she converted that shop to an AMP. She was shut down quickly and lost most of her savings. She said Leo found her safe and claimed it as evidence but they only officially claimed 15% of what they had actually taken. Thankfully the courts gave her a slap on the wrist due to lack evidence on the serious charges but she couldn't do anything about the money they had taken. Even the Lawyer told her to consider it gone and to be glad that's all that happened.

 

[richardp2918]

Echoing the statement of bad financial skills. Since the money comes so easy they don't realize it's not that easy for everyone else or in other jobs. They blow their cash daily or in bad investments. I knowmany that only use Chinese car service to get around everywhere, unless a friend can drive. That adds up when your taking a cab twice a day. Now realize that's just one of many bad financial habits, like eating out ever day or buying luxury goods every months.

As far as bad investments. I know one that has been doing this for nearly 20 years. She retired for about a year then was suddenly back. Turned out she tried to start her own legit business outside of NYC, unrelated to spas, that business failed and she was desperate so she converted that shop to an AMP. She was shut down quickly and lost most of her savings. She said Leo found her safe and claimed it as evidence but they only officially claimed 15% of what they had actually taken. Thankfully the courts gave her a slap on the wrist due to lack evidence on the serious charges but she couldn't do anything about the money they had taken. Even the Lawyer told her to consider it gone and to be glad that's all that happened.

Wow...so LEO actually stole 85% of the money? That's infuriating.

I also know a retired girl who invested her entire savings in opening a regular legit mani pedi business just before covid and she lost everything. Now she's back to working the rooms.

Considering all the dreams she had to living a normal life and settling down with a nice guy and having kids, it's brutal. She's basically never going to be able to have kids now considering her age and how long she has to work to build up a nest egg again.

 

[Talo]

Wow...so LEO actually stole 85% of the money? That's infuriating.

I also know a retired girl who invested her entire savings in opening a regular legit mani pedi business just before covid and she lost everything. Now she's back to working the rooms.

Considering all the dreams she had to living a normal life and settling down with a nice guy and having kids, it's brutal. She's basically never going to be able to have kids now considering her age and how long she has to work to build up a nest egg again.

It's sad and there are many like that too.

 

[massiveloads]

Google civil forfeiture

What is taken from people and what is reported in the news are vastly different. What are you gonna do? call LE?

There are many sides to this business, it seems richardp2918 has talked to enough ladies to know some success stories and some sad stories as well.

What people do with their earnings is their business, but there is a recurring pattern of what works and what doesn't.

 

[richardp2918]

Google civil forfeiture

What is taken from people and what is reported in the news are vastly different. What are you gonna do? call LE?

There are many sides to this business, it seems richardp2918 has talked to enough ladies to know some success stories and some sad stories as well.

What people do with their earnings is their business, but there is a recurring pattern of what works and what doesn't.

I've gleaned a few stories over decades of mongering, but I'm actually very very curious what happens to these girls afterwards.

I was recently suggested to follow a girl on a social media app and turns out it's a kmp girl from many years ago. I didn't connect to her to avoid freaking her out, but I saw some public photos of some of her friends which included her pics and it blew my mind. She looks happy and like a totally normal Korean girl I'd see around town...a perfectly upscale normal girl next door now.

I'm already fantasizing about how I might "accidentally" bump into her and possibly date her, but I don't think there's any way to do this without being creepy or freaking her out. And her friend was even hotter and I spent the day racking my brain wondering if she might've been a kmp girl and if I'd ever banged her. Both of these girls looked so natural and girl next doorish without a hint of ho in them.

It's also scary to think how much snooping these social media apps are doing...I'm not sure where they got her contacts from my phone or whether it was her number or email or what. Maybe there's a kmp girl out there secretly snooping my social media profiles and wanting to date me...one can dream.

 

[Mampr]

Same thing happened to a provider earlier this year. A “monger” stole over 5 figures from her when she wasn’t looking. Idk why some of them carry that much and leave it easy to find.

She was carrying more than $10k? Was this girl working at a spa or indy out of an apartment or hotel?

 

[richardp2918]

Whoa. Who got that much stolen from her?

I can't say as it's quite personal having mentioned other things about her, but she was a well loved ATF.

These woman are giving a lot of the money back. This is a syndicate owned business. Girls coming into country and going right to work means a lot of people are getting a percentage of what she brings in.

I'm not privy to how the Chinese or Japanese girls get into the US, but all the girls who have come to NY in the last 10+ years that I've gotten to know have come in entirely on their own and there's a whole discussion board where girls exchange information and can navigate their way through.

Can't say that's always the case tho...are you aware of syndicates coercing Korean girls into NY these days? There definitely were a bunch of those in LA and SF in the 90s and 2000s, with egregious loans and collection agencies tied to the Korean mob, i.e. Jo Pok. A lot of young Korean girls ended up working the rooms after the IMF financial crisis and in the eary 2000s credit card boom in Korea.

 

[Michael_Choo]

I should've majored in AMP Economics instead of Financial Economics...

 

[Josh Roth]

I think it's important to distinguish between different categories of providers.
--The rub-and-tug women are probably making a LOT less than the FS AMP ones.
--There are plenty of Korean and other Asian women who bounce around as free agents from AMP to AMP and city to city, take time off when they want, make a great living, and don't have anyone with financial hooks into them, but often are hurt by the crappy choices some of them make (investing all their money in starting a small business or in cybercurrency)
--There are sadly others who are here illegally and with massive obligations to unscrupulous people, and that's the fu---ed-up side of this sector, which I avoid if I even get a whiff of it.
So the economics of this vary enormously.

 

[richardp2918]

I should've majored in AMP Economics instead of Financial Economics...

Vaginas and the drive to penetrate them are the driving force behind all economics.

To paraphrase...vaginas are good. Vaginas, in all it's forms, clarify, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit...and has marked the upward surge of mankind.

 

[Ilovetoskiatalta]

There is a girl I met in NJ a few years ago who is Korean and 38yo. She is quite pretty and she has been here seven years. I saw her as a provider only once and we exchanged numbers. Over the years we meet and have lunch or dinner. She pays sometimes and sometimes I pay. We have hung out and she has a very nice apartment in Flushing. We have never hooked up besides the one time at the AMP. Her schedule recently was off to Denver May 19 to returned June 11 June 23 she went to NC and is returning July 11 then off to Chicago July 13 to work. She is always well dressed and smokes Capri cigs and claims to not do anything except drink a little soju and beer. She has lost a lot of weight recently and I have noticed that she is most likely using coke since she has missed booger sugar and I said "wipe your nose." I have never discussed money but I do know her Mom passed away and I am pretty sure she sends money back to her father.
She is of the caliber that "should" get wifed up, but I think she enjoys the attention, she enjoys the money, she is a little broken. She has mentioned retiring but she seems to be working non stop. She is a professional sex worker.

 

[Josh Roth]

There is a girl I met in NJ a few years ago who is Korean and 38yo. She is quite pretty and she has been here seven years. I saw her as a provider only once and we exchanged numbers. Over the years we meet and have lunch or dinner. She pays sometimes and sometimes I pay. We have hung out and she has a very nice apartment in Flushing. We have never hooked up besides the one time at the AMP. Her schedule recently was off to Denver May 19 to returned June 11 June 23 she went to NC and is returning July 11 then off to Chicago July 13 to work. She is always well dressed and smokes Capri cigs and claims to not do anything except drink a little soju and beer. She has lost a lot of weight recently and I have noticed that she is most likely using coke since she has missed booger sugar and I said "wipe your nose." I have never discussed money but I do know her Mom passed away and I am pretty sure she sends money back to her father.
She is of the caliber that "should" get wifed up, but I think she enjoys the attention, she enjoys the money, she is a little broken. She has mentioned retiring but she seems to be working non stop. She is a professional sex worker.

I've seen a similar dynamic with a lot of strippers: smart, hot women who get used to the $$ and can't settle into another line of work or into a stable relationship. By their late 30s, their options start to diminish and they often have a drinking or drug problem by then too.

 

[Smokenchoke]

I've seen a similar dynamic with a lot of strippers: smart, hot women who get used to the $$ and can't settle into another line of work or into a stable relationship. By their late 30s, their options start to diminish and they often have a drinking or drug problem by then too.

Seems a bit cliche.

 

[Josh Roth]

Seems a bit cliche.

Like many cliches, that's cause there's a lot of truth in it.

 

[twotimesone]

There is a girl I met in NJ a few years ago who is Korean and 38yo. She is quite pretty and she has been here seven years. I saw her as a provider only once and we exchanged numbers. Over the years we meet and have lunch or dinner. She pays sometimes and sometimes I pay. We have hung out and she has a very nice apartment in Flushing. We have never hooked up besides the one time at the AMP. Her schedule recently was off to Denver May 19 to returned June 11 June 23 she went to NC and is returning July 11 then off to Chicago July 13 to work. She is always well dressed and smokes Capri cigs and claims to not do anything except drink a little soju and beer. She has lost a lot of weight recently and I have noticed that she is most likely using coke since she has missed booger sugar and I said "wipe your nose." I have never discussed money but I do know her Mom passed away and I am pretty sure she sends money back to her father.
She is of the caliber that "should" get wifed up, but I think she enjoys the attention, she enjoys the money, she is a little broken. She has mentioned retiring but she seems to be working non stop. She is a professional sex worker.

I doubt that many of these women would like to go to the transistion from being an AMP worker to being a housewife. Let's be honest. These women have no job skills. Addicted to the high life and likes being a big spender and possibility being addicted to drugs. Probably terrible in finances. Even if you have a long term relationship, she might not think highly of you and might stray. Chances are that you have to end up supporting her and she might not be grateful for this. Yes there are women who can transistion to being a civvie wife but not the one you described.

 

[Blixen]

I think of amp girls as being like athletes - only a few are making big bucks and those that do have a very limited window to do so, with lots of possibilities of problems sidelining them, from physical abuse, to theft to drugs and gambling or just plain bad judgement of youth.

And the older gals working the “massage” circuit… well, it’s not hard to see how modestly most them live.
Yet many of them - thinking of you, CT Lily with glasses, or crazy-Julie outcall massage lady - still respond with grace and alacrity to my sexual needs.

So I tend to be a real squish when dealing with them.

 

[richardp2918]

I've seen a similar dynamic with a lot of strippers: smart, hot women who get used to the $$ and can't settle into another line of work or into a stable relationship. By their late 30s, their options start to diminish and they often have a drinking or drug problem by then too.

This could almost be said about a lot of Wall Street jobs that often have no transferability to other regular jobs.

 

[richardp2918]

I doubt that many of these women would like to go to the transistion from being an AMP worker to being a housewife. Let's be honest. These women have no job skills. Addicted to the high life and likes being a big spender and possibility being addicted to drugs. Probably terrible in finances. Even if you have a long term relationship, she might not think highly of you and might stray. Chances are that you have to end up supporting her and she might not be grateful for this. Yes there are women who can transistion to being a civvie wife but not the one you described.

There's a recent People magazine article about Alix Earle, a TikTok star who also happens to be the step daughter of Ashley Dupre, the Spritzer escort per the article.

Ashley Dupre is happily married to a rich dude named TJ Earle and have 3 kids with him and seem to be living in domestic bliss.

Kind of poetic that TJ Earle married a ho and his daughter basically makes a fortune dressing like a ho but doesn't have to take clients due to the wonders of social media monetization

 

[massiveloads]

doesn't have to take clients

There is a whole world of hollywood mongering that is levels above what most of us can afford. Girls have their email in their instagram for a reason. Many stories of Middle eastern oil dudes flying them out for 1-2 nights. They don't turn that down when they are getting 50k+cash..

 

[richardp2918]

There is a whole world of hollywood mongering that is levels above what most of us can afford. Girls have their email in their instagram for a reason. Many stories of Middle eastern oil dudes flying them out for 1-2 nights. They don't turn that down when they are getting 50k+cash..

I love the idea of Sultan of Brunei types with battalions of incredible girls who aren't normally hos but will be for the right price. I've even read books like "Some Girls: My Life in a Harem".

There's a reason why my profile pic is Jabba the Hut trying to DFK Princess Leia