Attorney referral?

[DuncanIdaho]

Cops can cite you or arrest you for anything. It's up to a prosecutor to convict. They may have had no evidence of a crime, hope he said nothing. Sucks they have to waste resources on this with real crimes going on.

Gentlemen, remember. You fight legal battles in court. You do not fight on the streets with cops or try to argue with them. Do not bargain with cops. Do your attempt to bribe them...if you do..you'll learn quickly what civil asset forfeiture laws are.. (cash can be arrested).

How does one fight then? You fight in the courtroom with your three piece on with your attorney sitting beside you.

Until your lawyer is present...you shut the fcuk up.

Let me repeat myself in case you forget.

SHut
The
Fcuk
Up

 

[Crowdedstreet]

Cops can cite you or arrest you for anything. It's up to a prosecutor to convict. They may have had no evidence of a crime, hope he said nothing. Sucks they have to waste resources on this with real crimes going on.

so anyone walking down the street can be arrested? without a reason? That’s random bs. There’s got to be more than that. It could be a decoy, undercover operation perhaps a sting!

 

[Pecker_wood]

Uh

What evidence they have to arrest you? Anybody could be walking out to parking lot from hotels.

The hotel maids, and front desk know exactly what's going on, that it's more than just a liason since the provider goes thru a lot of towels, sheets, etc., plus lots of single guy traffic. And, with cooperation from hotel, the police can track single guys going in and out of same room with a single female guest which gives pretty compelling circumstantial evidence, but that's not enough to convict (enough for warrant?)

It seems to me, the police wouldn't initiate this without a complaint from the hotel, or if they thought under age or trafficking was going on. This might happen if someone at the hotel thinks the provider is under age. With cooperation from the hotel, the police can know who the johns are by tracking them go in and out of a provider's room (identified by the hotel), but I don't know (I'm not lawyer) if police can arrest without direct evidence, like video of money changing hands, and subsequent sex. Certainly, arresting Johns and bailing them without ever needing to convict, does act as pretty good deterrence, once the word gets out.

I don't know if they can get warrant to surreptiously video tape provider hotel room (like they did with Robert Kraft at Florida Amp). If the police are careful to arrest real Johns, the likelyhood of false arrest is lower. Keep in mind that if they think the Johns are seeing underage or trafficked providers, they won't be very sympathetic.

Normally, if a guy was actually seeing a provider, he's happy to just pay a fine and not contest it in court. But if you arrest a guy by mistake, lookout for the defamatiom false arrest lawsuit. Especially, if they arrest a rich Silicon Valley guy guilty or not with a lot of power (like happened with Robert Kraft), it can have serious political fallout for the police.

So, I think aamps are safer, the providers do their own laundry and there is no front desk or doorman, they don't traffick and use underage providers, but orgs do worry about apt. residents noticing.

 

[Pecker_wood]

so anyone walking down the street can be arrested? without a reason? That’s random bs. There’s got to be more than that. It could be a decoy, undercover operation perhaps a sting!

so anyone walking down the street can be arrested? without a reason? That’s random bs. There’s got to be more than that. It could be a decoy, undercover operation perhaps a sting!

I agree there has to be more to it regarding motivation. They did arrest someone who was in fact coming from the deed with the correct charge. But why? Normally this is a rare event, often due to some police stupidity (like Robert Kraft bust) or some political witch hunt.

One of the key reasons Marijuana has been decriminalized while prostition/soliciting has not is that it's problematic to admit to mongering in ways it's not to admitting to smoking weed even when it was illegal.

 

[wyoz]

Going to pretend this happened to OP

 

[js_07663]

Before giving us too many details, please note that LE can and does monitor sites like this.

PS - if anybody's listening, all my reviews & posts are made up fiction, and if my wife asks, I was never here!
- signed, an innocent victim of a hacked account.

 

[js_07663]

Too bad you didn't encounter this cop:

 

[MantisToboggan]

Before giving us too many details, please note that LE can and does monitor sites like this.

PS - if anybody's listening, all my reviews & posts are made up fiction, and if my wife asks, I was never here!
- signed, an innocent victim of a hacked account.

I wonder how many times le tried to get verified by orgs

 

[nexusflowing]

Was cited for soliciting recently and looking for an attorney to help. Can anyone referral a good attorney? Seems like there are a lot of sketchy attorneys out there and don't want to get the a crappy one. Need to get this dismissed. TIA

was this in the Oakland track?

 

[hypoviser]

What made them want to arrest you? This seems so odd..

 

[Pecker_wood]

was this in the Oakland track?

Googled, but couldn't find. Is this along Old Oakland Rd somewhere? Is this a street walking area?

Thanks for the replies. It was at a hotel. Was coming out to the parking lot after the deed and the cops arrested me. It was in Santa Clara county. If you know of any good attorneys that could handle this, would really appreciate it. Can PM me directly. Thanks everyone

Sorry, I understand your reluctance to talk about details, but we are trying to learn how to keep it from happening to ourselves.
How did you set up the date? Was it online? which site?, or on the street? Or, some other way? This may help us to understand the seeming contradictions.

 

[Pecker_wood]

What made them want to arrest you? This seems so odd..

Yes - "This seems odd.."
We are missing some key info, like how the date was set up, what area the hotel, or business owners complaining about visible activity, etc.

 

[rodneyfarva]

so anyone walking down the street can be arrested? without a reason? That’s random bs.

Yeah its bs. Heck cops have been straight up shooting people just walking down the street. That's bs too. When I was little, I was told, "if you need help find an officer."
Now, I never want to have any contact at all with a cop. I don't trust them.

 

[Big_Bird]

Yes - "This seems odd.."
We are missing some key info, like how the date was set up, what area the hotel, or business owners complaining about visible activity, etc.

The dude is fighting a charge and you want him to come on here and let everyone know how he setup the date and the hotel?

Hopefully he can divulge all the dirty details when this thing has blown over but until then he needs to stfu.

 

[MantisToboggan]

The dude is fighting a charge and you want him to come on here and let everyone know how he setup the date and the hotel?

Hopefully he can divulge all the dirty details when this thing has blown over but until then he needs to stfu.

The op asked for a good attorney, gave us the location of where they were caught and how they were caught. If LE was on here and did their research they can probably put the details together.

 

[Pecker_wood]

The dude is fighting a charge and you want him to come on here and let everyone know how he setup the date and the hotel?

Hopefully he can divulge all the dirty details when this thing has blown over but until then he needs to stfu.

He came on this forum asking for attorney reccomendations, he also responded to some details about his bust. If he has a problem with furthering answering, he can say so. I had mentioned that we can understand why he might be reluctant, so we won't be offended if he doesn't.

If he spills the details, it makes it more difficult for the police to run this sting.

 

[Marcusareolas]

It has been a few years now, and I wasn't arrested or cited -- but I was indeed "detained" by a Santa Clara cop after coming out of an apartment. "We know exactly what is going on in there" is what he said, and I did a reasonable job of shutting up, only asking if I was going to be arrested and answering honestly when he asked if I was packing (seriously?). Also was bullied into showing my DL and providing my phone number, which I later changed.

While driving away from this unpleasant interview, I saw a "pedestrian" out front that I had noticed also on the way in, and this person could barely suppress a smirk. It was a sting situation, but apparently one designed to shut down the apartment rather than arrest mongers. This part was probably paranoia, but I felt like a white SUV followed me nearly all the way home as well. It sucked.

 

[Pecker_wood]

The op asked for a good attorney, gave us the location of where they were caught and how they were caught. If LE was on here and did their research they can probably put the details together.

Yes, and how would that benefit LE or prosecution after the fact? None of this is admissable evidence. A lawyer will probably tell him not to say anything as a blanket statement, but that doesn't mean it's harmful, but it does have great value to us.

It's better for the rest us to learn from his mistake, than to bury what happened to avoid further embarrassment which he has anonymously admitted. If there is evidence of a specific negative consequence, I will happily acknowledge to learn about it, but that's different than running fears that don't have any factual basis.

This is similar to the repeating fears of mongers not wanting to provide picture ID references without any evidence of being outed by orgs, yet oblivous to all the other ways they are compromised.

 

[Pecker_wood]

It has been a few years now, and I wasn't arrested or cited -- but I was indeed "detained" by a Santa Clara cop after coming out of an apartment. "We know exactly what is going on in there" is what he said, and I did a reasonable job of shutting up, only asking if I was going to be arrested and answering honestly when he asked if I was packing (seriously?). Also was bullied into showing my DL and providing my phone number, which I later changed.

While driving away from this unpleasant interview, I saw a "pedestrian" out front that I had noticed also on the way in, and this person could barely suppress a smirk. It was a sting situation, but apparently one designed to shut down the apartment rather than arrest mongers. This part was probably paranoia, but I felt like a white SUV followed me nearly all the way home as well. It sucked.

Yes - great story.
This tactic does work to shut down apt. But keep in mind, the apt managers probably don't want arrests or publicity since it can potentially damage rental values.

I get how you feel, not mongering, but I have lots of stories being stopped by cops in my long haired, hippy days while high on LSD, marijuana or carrying while living in Texas. A lot more dangerous situation. I was lucky, but probably before most readers experience.

 

[Pecker_wood]

Yes, and how would that benefit LE or prosecution after the fact? None of this is admissable evidence. A lawyer will probably tell him not to say anything as a blanket statement, but that doesn't mean it's harmful, but it does have great value to us.

It's better for the rest us to learn from his mistake, than to bury what happened to avoid further embarrassment which he has anonymously admitted. If there is evidence of a specific negative consequence, I will happily acknowledge to learn about it, but that's different than running fears that don't have any factual basis.

This is similar to the repeating fears of mongers not wanting to provide picture ID references without any evidence of being outed by orgs, yet oblivous to all the other ways they are compromised.

This also illustrates another unanticipated way that mongers anonymity is compromised. It would be beneficial to us and the orgs hear all of these stories.
I've said it before but I think certain apt managers are ok with orgs (maybe paying higher monthly rates, kickbacks, etc) being in their building often giving them rooms by the elevator which are not popular with residents due to traffic. If residents complain, the orgs are happy to shut down immediately and move rather than involve LE or publicity.