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Seeking Arrangments (& other Sugar Daddy sites)
- Thread starter VJLUTZ
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For the skeptics, I wouldn't think about it too much. I've had 5 successfully met 5 thus far. A new one lined up for the weekend. Within a 30 day membership that just expired yesterday. More mileage for the buck then any alternative I am aware of by far.
No doubt there are a lot of SDs on the site. But if you stand out, have any personal conversational skills, it'll work. Aside from the ones I have met and the one meeting, still a few messages relayed between a few more as well. So I doubt I think about turning the profile back on until maybe summer time. The calendars booked up till then.
And as for the legal aspect, ANYTHING that can happen from that exchange can also come from the AMP or independent world as well, so it just doesn't hold much weight. IMO
No doubt there are a lot of SDs on the site. But if you stand out, have any personal conversational skills, it'll work. Aside from the ones I have met and the one meeting, still a few messages relayed between a few more as well. So I doubt I think about turning the profile back on until maybe summer time. The calendars booked up till then.
And as for the legal aspect, ANYTHING that can happen from that exchange can also come from the AMP or independent world as well, so it just doesn't hold much weight. IMO
Vjlutz you've learned quick. Yes any Man with sense can spidey sense the scammers. Any Man with a bit of conversational non awkward skills with the opposite sex can and does well on SA. The douche bags make you look better. Go after the girl next door types. Go on dates buy a drink or two then hook up.
If one goes in thinking it can't work it may not or at best will be ok. Positivity and confidence goes far. If you are a 5.5 or higher looks wise even better. This shit isn't hard. Some of you are so used to Pros its hard for you guys to imagine anything else.
Some of these girls fuck a few SD's some fuck one at a time. The Women vary again any Man with some sense can get a feel for this also.
If one goes in thinking it can't work it may not or at best will be ok. Positivity and confidence goes far. If you are a 5.5 or higher looks wise even better. This shit isn't hard. Some of you are so used to Pros its hard for you guys to imagine anything else.
Some of these girls fuck a few SD's some fuck one at a time. The Women vary again any Man with some sense can get a feel for this also.
Not hard to imagine, it comes down to what a guy values. You can trade off among time, $, looks, quality, etc. Not a single right formula fits everyone.
I agree you have to know the rule of the game, and they all vary a bit. For me, with average looks but a willingness to spoil a woman a little (not talking lots of $$) and be attentive, I get my best mileage from the professional ladies in the mid to upper mid price range. Many of them escort as a 2nd job and I've had better sex with better looking women for less cash than guys I compare notes with who go the SB route. I pay for 2 hrs, they frequently stay the night by the 2nd or 3rd visit. Not always, and some I wouldn't want to have them stay.
It is not one size fits all.
I agree you have to know the rule of the game, and they all vary a bit. For me, with average looks but a willingness to spoil a woman a little (not talking lots of $$) and be attentive, I get my best mileage from the professional ladies in the mid to upper mid price range. Many of them escort as a 2nd job and I've had better sex with better looking women for less cash than guys I compare notes with who go the SB route. I pay for 2 hrs, they frequently stay the night by the 2nd or 3rd visit. Not always, and some I wouldn't want to have them stay.
It is not one size fits all.
Any girl who stays less than 2.5hrs on their own is a pro. Most girls want to not feel like a pro and want to be with the guy for at least 2.5 hrs sometimes 3. It doesn't always apply but usually.
Also ofc this takes some time. If you don't have it or can't at least text these girls during work just have very lil time. Then stick to the pros.
Also ofc this takes some time. If you don't have it or can't at least text these girls during work just have very lil time. Then stick to the pros.
Not speaking for him, but many times, it just happens. It's a comfort thing, I guess. I know we all like to claim it is strictly a transaction with a lot of acting, but sometimes the company is enjoyed.
I had an independent that got pretty popular in a short time. Saw her 3-4 times. The last time was for an hour and she invited me to stay the night in the hotel. After that, she would come to my place the night before she was going to work in the area a couple times a month. She was in it to get capital to start her business on a good foundation, so we used to discuss business, single parenting, plenty of other stuff, and do all the expected stuff too. Now, she's operating her business and off the market, and we still connect every now and then. But the financial side of the hobby relationship definitely became secondary.
I had an independent that got pretty popular in a short time. Saw her 3-4 times. The last time was for an hour and she invited me to stay the night in the hotel. After that, she would come to my place the night before she was going to work in the area a couple times a month. She was in it to get capital to start her business on a good foundation, so we used to discuss business, single parenting, plenty of other stuff, and do all the expected stuff too. Now, she's operating her business and off the market, and we still connect every now and then. But the financial side of the hobby relationship definitely became secondary.
I've had 2 outta the 3 Sb's stay the night. The first one that night. The second one never did but said she should. The last one I suggested and then she would stay every once and while and then more steady.
Her staying the night should never be about money. This isn't the pro circuit. Whether what they do is the same is another debate. The way they conduct themselves is usually different. A pro will ask for x amount of dollars to even entertain the thought. The SB is staying the night because she is comfortable and enjoys your company. The money should be the same. If you want to give her more that's on you.
Her staying the night should never be about money. This isn't the pro circuit. Whether what they do is the same is another debate. The way they conduct themselves is usually different. A pro will ask for x amount of dollars to even entertain the thought. The SB is staying the night because she is comfortable and enjoys your company. The money should be the same. If you want to give her more that's on you.
SA, IMO, is an amazing site. Your experience with it will vary wildly depending on what you are looking for. If you are looking for straight up P4P providers, there are plenty. Your mix of looks, age, game and budget will decide what’s available for you on the site. If your willing to spend 10K/mo, your going to have a lot of options. If you’re under 40, good looking, and can hold a conversation with someone significantly younger than you, you’re also going to have a lot of options. If you’re older, not really attractive and bargain hunting, there probably isn’t much your going to find on SA other than the maybe the pros. As with many sites, SA has its share of scammers so you should investigate best practices for digital anonymity prior to jumping in. Be safe.
Didi, ASHP's comments very much mirror my own. The fundamental point is I treat them like "real people". Too many of their clients treat them like a commodity, or a less than equal person (read Unique's posts and you will get an idea of what I mean, especially the less than positive way he uses "Pro"). Most the women I see on a recurring basis charge in the 200 to 300 dollar per hour range, some a little more, some a little less--a lot depends on the city, but age and looks and class all influence it.
I will set up a 3 hr session the first time. Dinner someplace quiet and reasonably nice, maybe a drink afterwards, then back to my hotel or her place. Almost invariably the "3 hrs" turns into more than that, but that's her call. 2 hrs out and 2 hrs in is more the norm, but never expected. Second time, again 2 or 3 hrs, time to talk--ask about her as a person based upon things she said the first time, etc.; maybe a movie or a walk through a park followed by hot chocolate and a pastry before the bedroom play. I treat her like I would any date, any I find the extra effort, attention, and SMALL extra cash is almost always well rewarded.
At that point things vary. Several times one has shown up with an overnight bag the next time, and asked if she can stay--in that case the extra time is off the clock. If I am particularly interested in having her stay, I will ask if it is possible, and how much it would be--typically her web site price is 6 to 8 times her hourly rate but what she quotes me is often significantly less. She knows I am not going to expect to spend the whole night fucking, and I will treat her like a date, not a piece of pussy.
For those I have been seeing for years, all rules are negotiable. There are a couple I never talk money with at all. I pay them the 3 hr rate plus meals/activities/travel if appropriate/often a gift or two, and it's open ended--a few hours, overnight, or a weekend at a cabin by the lake. They know I will treat them fairly, I know they will treat me fairly as well. One stays with me when she is in town, and considers the room and meals sufficient, but I know her well enough that I let her stay there even when I am out of town, and I stay at her place when I'm there for work.
Sorry I don't have a simple answer for you, but it's all about chemistry, respect, and trust.
I will set up a 3 hr session the first time. Dinner someplace quiet and reasonably nice, maybe a drink afterwards, then back to my hotel or her place. Almost invariably the "3 hrs" turns into more than that, but that's her call. 2 hrs out and 2 hrs in is more the norm, but never expected. Second time, again 2 or 3 hrs, time to talk--ask about her as a person based upon things she said the first time, etc.; maybe a movie or a walk through a park followed by hot chocolate and a pastry before the bedroom play. I treat her like I would any date, any I find the extra effort, attention, and SMALL extra cash is almost always well rewarded.
At that point things vary. Several times one has shown up with an overnight bag the next time, and asked if she can stay--in that case the extra time is off the clock. If I am particularly interested in having her stay, I will ask if it is possible, and how much it would be--typically her web site price is 6 to 8 times her hourly rate but what she quotes me is often significantly less. She knows I am not going to expect to spend the whole night fucking, and I will treat her like a date, not a piece of pussy.
For those I have been seeing for years, all rules are negotiable. There are a couple I never talk money with at all. I pay them the 3 hr rate plus meals/activities/travel if appropriate/often a gift or two, and it's open ended--a few hours, overnight, or a weekend at a cabin by the lake. They know I will treat them fairly, I know they will treat me fairly as well. One stays with me when she is in town, and considers the room and meals sufficient, but I know her well enough that I let her stay there even when I am out of town, and I stay at her place when I'm there for work.
Sorry I don't have a simple answer for you, but it's all about chemistry, respect, and trust.
Interesting post, and I suspect it is generally true. SA women do seem to be more attuned to looks and want younger guys while those advertising as escorts (the SA women are indeed expecting $$$ for sex, so they are escorts whether they like that reality or not (they usually don't)) actually often prefer 40+, or 50+. Young guys will stroke their own egos and claim it's because we "old guys" are easier to keep happy so she has to work less, but in reality it is because we generally treat them as humans while too many (certainly not all) young guys treat them like blow-up dolls.
This is a thread for SA not pros. And that isnt demeaning. Fact is I have enjoyed both. I've been to 3 or 4 pros apartments. For sevreral hours at 30 min rate or 1 hr rate. They are awesome and I treat them well. However I'm not going to ignore their job is fucking. Not every SA girl is fucking multiple Men at a time.
I don't disagree that some SA women only see a small number of men. But one or three, or more, they are escorts. They are "pros" like the rest. They just use a different advertising forum, they pretend they aren't escorts, and they are usually lower volume, but they're still pros.
There's a woman in the Midwest who used to see one guy a week on a rotation of 4. Originally she hooked up with at least some of them on "dating" sites. 2K a month from each of the four guys. She's very much a pro even seeing one a week, and being at home in a board room.
Someone on AFF or SA or .... who puts a price on renting her pussy a pro just like someone on ECCIE or P411.
There's a woman in the Midwest who used to see one guy a week on a rotation of 4. Originally she hooked up with at least some of them on "dating" sites. 2K a month from each of the four guys. She's very much a pro even seeing one a week, and being at home in a board room.
Someone on AFF or SA or .... who puts a price on renting her pussy a pro just like someone on ECCIE or P411.
Yes the SA girls could be classified as pros, since there is an exchange of sex for money. But the key is “low volume” and that’s the draw for me. Most of the ones I’ve seen are civvies and do not fuck multiple guys on a regular basis like the typical provider. And this makes for a truer GFE than the faked responses of most high volume pros