Tips on Maintaining Active Membership

[Koondog]

Freddy those are already in the works. Coming soon sir. The only problem is that the douchebags who persistently push the envelope and reveal remarks others ask to be kept private would actually have to use the private tags for it to solve the problem. I’m assuming you are giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Koondog, I have an idea for you. You should go see if koondog.com is available. If it is, buy it quick before it’s taken! Then you can build your own site and persuade the entire AR membership to leave this site where the admin is a dickhead and come over to share on your site where it’s okay to reveal the unimportant details that other people place in the private sections. It’s bound to be a huge WIN for you bud!

I’ll finish with this. I’ve listened to criticism about this site since day 1. Been as gracious as I can be. Spent my hard earned money to make this site what the members want it to be. Will continue to do so, and will continue to appreciate my member’s remarks.

Koondog, you crossed over into different territory. Instead of constructive criticism, you resorted to sarcasm and name-calling. I’m done with you. I’m pretty close to shutting you down and requiring you provide a photo ID to allow you to continue once I can verify you are at least 18 years of age. My teenage children use a lot of name calling too.

So, from here on out, I’m going to treat you like a teenaged child. You have one option. A sincere apology. Not a sarcasm-laced bullshit reply. A sincere apology. You’re gonna find out the hard way that when you thought you’d be cool and try to lock horns with the admin around here you were making a big mistake. I’m giving you a lifeline. You can be an adult and use it, or you can keep on with your bullshit and your future around here is bleak.

Wow what chutzpah you have. I asked you a question. Sincerely.

You replied with "Go ahead and try it...you'll see what happens"

You are the one who took a discussion into a whole different realm with that infantile response.

YOU are the one who owes ME an apology.

If you man up and give me one I MIGHT stick around.

 

[Koondog]

It's there for the whole board to read. You started things with your dismissive wise-ass response to me.

Now you are pissed I treated you with the same amount of respect you showed me.

All bets were off when you took the low road, my friend.

Just admit you were very much in the wrong and we will move it along.

 

[Schecter42]

Say a guy writes in the private details within his review: "such and such a girl had decent sized tits".

If I reply "what do you mean by decent sized tits?" I am banned?

This is a very good question, and a useful forum will have many follow up questions similar to "what do you mean by decent sized tits".
I guess you could have said "can you tell me how big her tits are" and you wouldn't be banned, but not sure.

 

[Koondog]

Apparently the administrator didn't think it was very good.

His reaction to my question was that of contempt.

Not one but twice--saying "It was a fucking stupid question and do I have any more"

Now he wants to ban me for not letting him getting away with his strident responses to serious questions.

 

[gk951ar]

Apparently the administrator didn't think it was very good.

His reaction to my question was that of contempt.

Not one but twice--saying "It was a fucking stupid question and do I have any more"

Now he wants to ban me for not letting him getting away with his strident responses to serious questions.

Wouldn't take it personally, try to see it from his perspective, you're the one risking liability by hosting a webpage that contains a TON of risky information. One hack, one slip on the internet, even if anyone of us were not here for the normal reasons, not only would admins be at risk, but so would we.

It's not personal dude, also I don't think admin's need to worry about any one said "contributor" sticking around. It is what it is, just leave it at that, take your feelings and personal ego out of it.

A lot of people yes they may make mistakes or not mean to, but as I said before, the real core issue here is that everyone on here and anywhere else for that matter needs to expect more of themselves. Can't just show up and be spoon-fed, even if someone is neglectful, etc.. it's still the same risk no one needs/wants.

Anyway good luck man with whatever you do, wish you well whatever you decide.

 

[Koondog]

Here's the thing....I came on this thread seeking guidance. I asked a question.

The top guy here, who you would think would be glad to help out and clarify any query a member might have so they could be secure in learning exactly what the new policy entails.

But he didn't do that. Instead of answering my question he gave a dismissive reply and followed it up with more contemptuous nonsense, saying the question was "fucking stupid'.

It's not personal? Tell that to the guy who wants to ban me simply for standing up to him.

 

[Wayne1250]

TJ is working on a private comment mode that can be accessed on each thread. This will elimitate the current issue. So when in doubt about revealing private detail info it can be be repeated or commented on in the private option mode.

This website has come along way in 10 months. When I first joined in mid June there were almost no northeast members. Most were in Texas at that time.

There is no reason to be a bug up TopJimmy's ass.

 

[Dc46]

This is a very good question, and a useful forum will have many follow up questions similar to "what do you mean by decent sized tits".
I guess you could have said "can you tell me how big her tits are" and you wouldn't be banned, but not sure.

I asked a question and was told to look it up.

I have read through it a few times now and it’s the reason I asked the question. Can someone help me out?

 

[gk951ar]

Here's the thing....I came on this thread seeking guidance. I asked a question.

The top guy here, who you would think would be glad to help out and clarify any query a member might have so they could be secure in learning exactly what the new policy entails.

But he didn't do that. Instead of answering my question he gave a dismissive reply and followed it up with more contemptuous nonsense, saying the question was "fucking stupid'.

It's not personal? Tell that to the guy who wants to ban me simply for standing up to him.

I think he's just tired of re-answering the same core idea, I get it all you wanted was to ask an innocuous question, etc... and you got a "figure it out for yourself" - I do think though there are times where even the most seemingly innocuous questions can still expose information(completely unintentionally). E.g. for a lot of said venues, a google search by name or phone number shows this forum at the top. That's a HUGE issue, from a privacy perspective that's a huge issue. And that issue is compounded each time any search engine which scrapes web content can find public info.

Anyway, as previously said, wish you the best regardless of what you decide. The expectation that people need to be super on the ball is a pragmatic one which benefits everyone in the end, even if we can't always see that now.

 

[Dc46]

I think he's just tired of re-answering the same core idea, I get it all you wanted was to ask an innocuous question, etc... and you got a "figure it out for yourself" - I do think though there are times where even the most seemingly innocuous questions can still expose information(completely unintentionally). E.g. for a lot of said venues, a google search by name or phone number shows this forum at the top. That's a HUGE issue, from a privacy perspective that's a huge issue. And that issue is compounded each time any search engine which scrapes web content can find public info.

Anyway, as previously said, wish you the best regardless of what you decide. The expectation that people need to be super on the ball is a pragmatic one which benefits everyone in the end, even if we can't always see that now.

No one is trying to get around any rules. We wish to follow them but desire to understand them.

I know Tommy understands what he wrote but if the members don’t who does that help?

I get Tommy is tired of answering questions. He has a thankless job and is under appreciated.

I assume that since the example I gave was not in the new private section private info was allowed to be repeated in the public info. If it was in the new private only section I am guessing it wouldn’t of been ok.

 

[Ls1gto]

What a fucking joke. All of this in the guise of privacy, yet you still allow Google Crawlers to index this site. This is simply profit-oriented, and that's totally cool - just be straight about it.

 

[kantuchdis]

"That which is measured improves." Pearson, et al

This new policy is a game changer. There will be many names disappearing from the board with the one and done rule for violating the policy, intentionally or by mistake. When members figure out the REPORT button the mighty will fall. A cursory review of random posts shows many members are already in violation. Hell, I probably have done it.

Time will tell, but I'd like say before it's too late it has been mostly a pleasure sharing and receiving information from most of you fine gentlemen. Continue the hard work of helping your brothers and may God save your soul if you don't.

 

[gk951ar]

What a fucking joke. All of this in the guise of privacy, yet you still allow Google Crawlers to index this site. This is simply profit-oriented, and that's totally cool - just be straight about it.

do you know how much it costs to maintain a web server? this is a php based one to be specific, then the security it takes to keep people from hacking ip address in server logs? Google will index content regardless of what you do even if you tell it not to. The real needle mover is that after we all switch to private, etc.. locked, google can't see content anymore therefore fine whatever cached content which google will eventually let go of. I'll be honest I have no idea how the admins set this up, if they used a consulting firm, or they did it themselves, and i don't know how much paid sub costs, but for me, some collateral for access needs to be there, enough to clearly show that a member wouldn't use the information inappropriately. From my perspective same reason any said venue might decide to card people.

 

[Ls1gto]

do you know how much it costs to maintain a web server? this is a php based one to be specific, then the security it takes to keep people from hacking ip address in server logs? Google will index content regardless of what you do even if you tell it not to. The real needle mover is that after we all switch to private, etc.. locked, google can't see content anymore therefore fine whatever cached content which google will eventually let go of. I'll be honest I have no idea how the admins set this up, if they used a consulting firm, or they did it themselves, and i don't know how much paid sub costs, but for me, some collateral for access needs to be there, enough to clearly show that a member wouldn't use the information inappropriately. From my perspective same reason any said venue might decide to card people.

It takes about twelve seconds to prevent your site from being indexed.

<meta> tag
To prevent most search engine web crawlers from indexing a page on your site, place the following meta tag into the <head> section of your page:
<meta name="robots" content="noindex">

To prevent only Google web crawlers from indexing a page:
<meta name="googlebot" content="noindex">
You should be aware that some search engine web crawlers might interpret the noindex directive differently. As a result, it is possible that your page might still appear in results from other search engines.

 

[gk951ar]

It takes about twelve seconds to prevent your site from being indexed.

doesn't always work, and google isn't the only caching service, lots of other browsers or caching providers do this. We're both giving away a lot of information about ourselves by having this conversation... And lets say Google doesn't index it, that doesn't prevent it from coming up in search results among the top 5 for any of the said venues...

 

[Zzzz]

It doesn't seem so, credit is in review section only, that's why private details.[/QU

Wouldn't take it personally, try to see it from his perspective, you're the one risking liability by hosting a webpage that contains a TON of risky information. One hack, one slip on the internet, even if anyone of us were not here for the normal reasons, not only would admins be at risk, but so would we.

It's not personal dude, also I don't think admin's need to worry about any one said "contributor" sticking around. It is what it is, just leave it at that, take your feelings and personal ego out of it.

A lot of people yes they may make mistakes or not mean to, but as I said before, the real core issue here is that everyone on here and anywhere else for that matter needs to expect more of themselves. Can't just show up and be spoon-fed, even if someone is neglectful, etc.. it's still the same risk no one needs/wants.

Anyway good luck man with whatever you do, wish you well whatever you decide.

Good call for everyone to expect more of themselves - but I've seen quite a bit of buffoonery from some of the mongers on this site...in this particular context, either common sense is completely absent, or it simply doesn't translate into common practice. Someone once sent me over the private number of a gal, completely disregarding her personal privacy and safety.

 

[gk951ar]

Good call for everyone to expect more of themselves - but I've seen quite a bit of buffoonery from some of the mongers on this site...in this particular context, either common sense is completely absent, or it simply doesn't translate into common practice. Someone once sent me over the private number of a gal, completely disregarding her personal privacy and safety.

I think the trickiest problem that admins have to solve is, how do I make everyone feel great/welcome/happy but at the same time curb the inexperience/ignorance of certain groups of people for the privacy of everyone? Not an easy problem to solve, lot of ego on this forum - people who feel the need to defend themselves, attack others, attach some sort of vestment to their activity here, and that's the achilles heel.

The problem is that there are reasonable opaquely communicated expectations that are there not only for good reason but good measure too, that can't always be explicitly answered.

The main disjoint in expectation that I think people pushing back are feeling is this: experienced/admins/people concerned about privacy understand that for something like this, there is a large risk penalty to pay for throwing paint at the walls(guessing, or not thinking through the big picture/all contingencies). And it's not particularly that people are bad per se, etc.. it's that the structural nature of the entire purpose for this forum considering the current environment demands it.

That's not easy to communicate to people, some people don't care, some people don't appreciate that, etc... so it ends up being a liability that has to be solved.

I think the admins are doing a lot here that just isn't easily understood by most?

 

[gk951ar]

doesn't always work, and google isn't the only caching service, lots of other browsers or caching providers do this. We're both giving away a lot of information about ourselves by having this conversation... And lets say Google doesn't index it, that doesn't prevent it from coming up in search results among the top 5 for any of the said venues...

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but a lot of venues are updating their websites, more generically, others took a different direction, but more than not have gone towards obfuscation, probably a reason for that.

 

[topjimmy]

No one is trying to get around any rules. We wish to follow them but desire to understand them.

I know Tommy understands what he wrote but if the members don’t who does that help?

I get Tommy is tired of answering questions. He has a thankless job and is under appreciated.

I assume that since the example I gave was not in the new private section private info was allowed to be repeated in the public info. If it was in the new private only section I am guessing it wouldn’t of been ok.

Go read Post 10 buddy. The OP is exempt. If the author of private content chooses to reveal it publicly, this action isn’t a board violation.

 

[Dc46]

Go read Post 10 buddy. The OP is exempt. If the author of private content chooses to reveal it publicly, this action isn’t a board violation.

Excellent. Thank you