Videotaping at AMPs

[kgirler]

Think about the real effect of this for a second. You'll probably have a stampede of guys shitting-their-pants and turning themselves in. Whether they used the busted spas or not. I bet they get at least 500 guys, maybe 1000, throwing themselves on the "mercy" of the Authorities. From an LE perspective, it's briliant.

If a similar thing happened around here, I'd consult an attorney before I did jack squat.

Deny, deny, deny.

 

[njlefty]

Think about the real effect of this for a second. You'll probably have a stampede of guys shitting-their-pants and turning themselves in. Whether they used the busted spas or not. I bet they get at least 500 guys, maybe 1000, throwing themselves on the "mercy" of the Authorities. From an LE perspective, it's briliant.

If a similar thing happened around here, I'd consult an attorney before I did jack squat.

If they had something on me, then they have to go for it.

 

[Freddy]

It’s illegal to record anyone in a bathroom or bedroom publicly or in your own home, although a massage parlor is open to the public there is still a level of privacy expected in a massage room, it’s a matter of interpretation but most likely falls into the category of a bedroom. Can someone record you? Yes, is it legal? No.

 

[TGBeldin]

It’s all legal once a judge orders it.

Absolutely true, and absolutely what a lot of guys want to pretend isn't.

As to the trafficking part, I don't know FL but a lot of places are making arguments that de facto every sex worker is trafficked even if there is ZERO proof that she was forced, coerced, or threatened. It is often some version of the women are financially enslaved and thus "forced" into it. It is one area where the "Progressives" and the Thumpers agree--arrest, prosecute, and humiliate as many clients as you can. Of course the Thumpers want to send the women to a Nunnery while the Progressives want they to all become lesbians. Guess they don't agree on quite everything yet.

 

[njlefty]

35 years of seeing sex workers. I have never seen it like it is now.

We need to fight back or we're all going to lose something we enjoy.

 

[njlefty]

Online reviews described slang terms for paid sex and an investigation of the parlors trash revealed bodily fluids, Treasure Coast Newspapers reported.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/new...sex-trafficking-asian-spa-20190221-story.html

 

[Koujiao]

As to the trafficking part, I don't know FL but a lot of places are making arguments that de facto every sex worker is trafficked even if there is ZERO proof that she was forced, coerced, or threatened.

And there are multiple threads here where every John who comments will argue the exact opposite, that there is absolutely zero proof that ANY of these women were forced, coerced or threatened. In addition, they console each other by agreeing that they personally have never met, seen or gone to a place that would do this, and if they ever do see this happening, they would put on their cape and rescue the ladies. Or maybe just not go back. The women are ALL willing AMP participants.

Can both versions be true or a lie?

 

[Uniquelyme]

And there are multiple threads here where every John who comments will argue the exact opposite, that there is absolutely zero proof that ANY of these women were forced, coerced or threatened. In addition, they console each other by agreeing that they personally have never met, seen or gone to a place that would do this, and if they ever do see this happening, they would put on their cape and rescue the ladies. Or maybe just not go back. The women are ALL willing AMP participants.

Can both versions be true or a lie?

Think the girls are aware LE views them as victims and some play that role. Perhaps more are than previously thought however perhaps far less than what LE thinks.

 

[kgirler]

Think the girls are aware LE views them as victims and some play that role. Perhaps more are than previously thought however perhaps far less than what LE thinks.

Absolutely. Get out of jail free card.

 

[Dc46]

How do they match a video of a monger to his name and address?

Surveillance in parking lot?

Facial recognition? If you are in the system your info will pop up. Meaning if you have been fingerprinted at any time. Pre check TSA, for work etc. you are in system.

 

[Dc46]

I would not fall for that, heck no. Video or not, once you turn yourself in voluntarily there’s no turning back. Officials would have to reduce the charges for turning myself in voluntarily , seems these guys were still charged as if they had to be sought out and arrested. I thought prostitution was a misdemeanor offense. The charges against these customers won’t increase because they had to first find them. Just the mention of human trafficking was what probably scared the majority of these Johns to turn their selves in . Fuck that make the police prove you engaged in an illegal activity and it’s still only a misdemeanor.

I would think if you turned yourself in, you are in a better position to try and negotiate a deal where you don’t have your name in paper, be registered as a sex offender etc. You can pay a fine quietly and it’s over.

If you make the cops come find you, they will not be in the mood to deal. Plus if they do come get you, they aren’t coming with sirens off and quietly knocking on your door. They are coming at 7pm with 3 or 4 cars sirens screaming hoping to catch you at dinner with you entire family there to max embarrassment.

 

[njlefty]

I would think if you turned yourself in, you are in a better position to try and negotiate a deal where you don’t have your name in paper, be registered as a sex offender etc. You can pay a fine quietly and it’s over.

If you make the cops come find you, they will not be in the mood to deal. Plus if they do come get you, they aren’t coming with sirens off and quietly knocking on your door. They are coming at 7pm with 3 or 4 cars sirens screaming hoping to catch you at dinner with you entire family there to max embarrassment.

I agree, and I think this is why many guys are starting to turn themselves in.

 

[HardT]

They need the provider to identify you.You can say “I rang bell and left”.These places seeming were fast houses.They need film of you having a orgasm or your DNA.Deny, deny.

 

[HardT]

One item if a monger paid by credit card or provider has your phone number and texts not good.

 

[TGBeldin]

And there are multiple threads here where every John who comments will argue the exact opposite, that there is absolutely zero proof that ANY of these women were forced, coerced or threatened. In addition, they console each other by agreeing that they personally have never met, seen or gone to a place that would do this, and if they ever do see this happening, they would put on their cape and rescue the ladies. Or maybe just not go back. The women are ALL willing AMP participants.

Can both versions be true or a lie?

Those posters are wrong. Maybe they themselves have not been to a place where the women are trafficked. Maybe they are so focused on themselves that they don't notice. Or maybe they keep telling themselves that so they feel less guilt. I don't know, but the reality is some women are trafficked, some are not. but that doesn't fit the political agenda of anyone, so that story doesn't come out. The messages put out for mass consumption are either "ALL these women are exploited", or "ALL are just loving this as their ideal job". If we were a decent society we should want to eradicate forced/coerced sex trafficking entirely, and make the environment as safe as we can for those who are truly doing this voluntarily.

 

[HardT]

Those posters are wrong. Maybe they themselves have not been to a place where the women are trafficked. Maybe they are so focused on themselves that they don't notice. Or maybe they keep telling themselves that so they feel less guilt. I don't know, but the reality is some women are trafficked, some are not. but that doesn't fit the political agenda of anyone, so that story doesn't come out. The messages put out for mass consumption are either "ALL these women are exploited", or "ALL are just loving this as their ideal job". If we were a decent society we should want to eradicate forced/coerced sex trafficking entirely, and make the environment as safe as we can for those who are truly doing this voluntarily.

Most mongers think erroneously if a provider is over 18 not be trafficked.The Asian mafia is making millions running women all over America and sadly many are trafficked.

 

[HardT]

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Most mongers think erroneously if a provider is over 18 not being trafficked.The Asian mafia is making millions running women all over America and sadly many are trafficked.

Most mongers think erroneously if a provider is over 18 not being trafficked.The Asian mafia is making millions running women all over America and sadly many are trafficked.

Amps that have green cards probably live with family, hubby etc and not totally at the mercy of Asian mob.Any amp or fast house provider without a green card is for sure at the mercy of the Asian mafia.

 

[TGBeldin]

I am not an expert on all AMPs, or other sex workers, but I have met enough women I have gotten to know well. And many of those have families, lives, and other activities of their own. Many have left on their own terms when they have met their needs financially, of found another option that is better for them. The ones that haven't left either feel this is the best option for them (financially, or working hours that mesh with school/young kids, or they just enjoy the benefits they get from their clients), or they have not done their retirement planning and fell they can't leave. Just like a lot of other people who are working at whatever their job is because they haven't prepared/saved enough.

But I also have seen up close some who have been forced either physically, through drugs, or through threats to family. Sometimes my real world job shows me the uglier side of this. That is one reason my preference is for outcalls with dinner. Most pimps/overlords feel uncomfortable letting a woman out of their control and don't. Plus I learn a lot more about a woman in that kind of setting, both from her conversation and body language.

Thanks for some good thoughts HardT. Out of curiosity, do you go by a different handle ending in "-T" on a different board? You sound a lot like him.

 

[HardT]

I am not an expert on all AMPs, or other sex workers, but I have met enough women I have gotten to know well. And many of those have families, lives, and other activities of their own. Many have left on their own terms when they have met their needs financially, of found another option that is better for them. The ones that haven't left either feel this is the best option for them (financially, or working hours that mesh with school/young kids, or they just enjoy the benefits they get from their clients), or they have not done their retirement planning and fell they can't leave. Just like a lot of other people who are working at whatever their job is because they haven't prepared/saved enough.

But I also have seen up close some who have been forced either physically, through drugs, or through threats to family. Sometimes my real world job shows me the uglier side of this. That is one reason my preference is for outcalls with dinner. Most pimps/overlords feel uncomfortable letting a woman out of their control and don't. Plus I learn a lot more about a woman in that kind of setting, both from her conversation and body language.

Thanks for some good thoughts HardT. Out of curiosity, do you go by a different handle ending in "-T" on a different board? You sound a lot like him.

Not me.I only post as of now on this forum.

 

[HardT]

I am not an expert on all AMPs, or other sex workers, but I have met enough women I have gotten to know well. And many of those have families, lives, and other activities of their own. Many have left on their own terms when they have met their needs financially, of found another option that is better for them. The ones that haven't left either feel this is the best option for them (financially, or working hours that mesh with school/young kids, or they just enjoy the benefits they get from their clients), or they have not done their retirement planning and fell they can't leave. Just like a lot of other people who are working at whatever their job is because they haven't prepared/saved enough.

But I also have seen up close some who have been forced either physically, through drugs, or through threats to family. Sometimes my real world job shows me the uglier side of this. That is one reason my preference is for outcalls with dinner. Most pimps/overlords feel uncomfortable letting a woman out of their control and don't. Plus I learn a lot more about a woman in that kind of setting, both from her conversation and body language.

Thanks for some good thoughts HardT. Out of curiosity, do you go by a different handle ending in "-T" on a different board? You sound a lot like him.

Older amps in Queens can’t walk away from 1500-1800 a week in cash.